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40K - Should I .... or not? Where to start?

Discussion in 'General Hobby/Tabletop Chat' started by Aginor, Oct 11, 2017.

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  1. Captaniser
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    Captaniser Well-Known Member

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    Demon models can be used in AoS and 40k, that faction has always been unique that way. Demons are basically 2 armies in 1, kinda.


    I don't play 40k but from what i've heard they're kinda mediocre. They are getting their own codex before christmas, and that is almost bound to make them better.

    Fun fact: Soul Grinder

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    This Demon unit was meant to only be a part of 40k, that is why it is so mechanical and it even has a laser cannon as an arm. The higher ups at GW demanded that this unit was also implemented into fantasy (now AoS) even though it looks completly out of place in a fantasy setting.
     
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  2. Aginor
    Slann

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    I already wondered about that guy. Your explanation makes it much more clear. Thanks!
     
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  3. Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl
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    They did that in 8th Edition first with the release of the 8th Edition army book so that they wouldn't have to produce new stuff just for fantasy, but that does mean that practically every daemon unit can now be used in fantasy, AoS and 40k, whereas before the Soul Grinder was the main difference between fantasy and 40k daemons
     
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  4. NIGHTBRINGER
    Slann

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    I always hated its inclusion in Warhammer Fantasy. Like you said, it feels completely out of place.
     
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    Pretty much. "why not use daemonic crab legs?" was my first thought.
     
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    Slann

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    The model was very obviously designed for 40k and shoehorned into fantasy. There is nothing wrong with it, as its design fits perfectly within its intended universe. The only issue is that GW decided to try to make a few extra :greedy::greedy: by pushing it onto fantasy players.
     
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  7. Aginor
    Slann

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    Another short question:
    Is/was that human Emperor guy as much of a dick towards aliens as his deputies are? And if yes: why?
    I mean: I'd rather have Eldar and Tau on my side fighting Chaos, Tyranids and Necrons and Orks, instead of fighting all of them at the same time...
     
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  9. Captaniser
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    The Emperor didn't look at aliens with the kindest of hearts. He told them to either have a complete surrender and that they should believe that the Emperiums ways were superior in every single way, if they didn't do both they usually went extinct. He didn't really mind the Elder, they sometimes helped him and vise versa, but he still wanted to get rid of them if the opportunity arose. Big E believed in human supremacy. Xenos races could either help humanity through tithes and submission or go extinct and give the Emperium more planets.

    It wasn't just aliens that got that ultimatum tho. There does exist human empires that are outside of the Emperium, some are so segregated they don't even realise the Emperium exists. If the Emperium or the Emperor ran into one of these empires he demanded the same things, join or die. Abandon your culture, history and allegiances to join the glorious Emperor. Despoil your peaceful and beautiful worlds so that they can become factories for the wars of the Emperium.
     
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  10. Aginor
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    Thanks. So this whole coexistence thing is not something he's fond of, I understand...
     
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  11. Killer Angel
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    In the dark future there are only morons!
     
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    I saw someone else explained it briefly, but another fun fact about work tech is that (in the old lore) boyz could just get a lead pipe and use it as a gun. Also the eldar, orks and possibly tyranids were created by the old ones (wow just like in lizard men lore!) except i don't know how that would work in lore terms


    Edit: when i said it might not work in lore terms i mean the old ones existing in 40k
     
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  13. Aginor
    Slann

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    If I understood it correctly then it was something like this:

    Many many millennia ago there were basically only the Old Ones and... some other dudes... Necrons before they were robots I think?
    And those two had a war going and the Old Ones created other races to serve them.
    The wiki even mentions Slann!!?? But that is pretty old edition lore so it might not be true anymore.

    Eldar we're supposed to be servants and Orks were basically a bioweapon that got out of control at some point.

    Not sure about Tyranids I think those came from another Galaxy the way I read it...


    A loooot of stuff to read through. :D
     
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    I'll just give you a recap of, The war in Heaven. 60 million years ago, the Old ones ruled the galaxy. The Old ones were masters of genetic engineering and psychic powers. The Old ones weren't alone in the universe, many other alien empires existed and the Old ones uplifted them to their technologi level and lived in harmony. It wasn't everybody who saw the Old ones as benevolent givers, no, a sinister and miserable people called, the Necrontyr were jealous of the Old ones. The Necrontyr were ignored by the Old ones, because the Old ones saw the hate and jealousi in the Necrontyr, so they chose to ignore them, hoping their misery would be the end of them.

    When the Necrontyr had build a major empire, they declared war on the Old ones and all their vassal species. The war had major casualties on both sides, but it was evident that the Old ones were going to win. During this war, the Old ones created the Elder and the Krorks. the ancestors of the Orks. A Krork is basically an Ork that has human level intelligence and strategic thinking.

    When all seemed lost for the Necrontyr, they noticed a being orbiting their home star, sucking the very energi from it. The Necrontyr contacted this being, and realised it was a being of unlimited energi. The greatest sceintist of the Necrontyr created their ultimate creation, a suit of living metal that the being could reside in. More of these beings came to the Necrontyr an had body's made to them. An so the C'tan were born. The C'tan has feasted on stars ever since the Big bang, but when the Necrontyr gave them material form, they realised that Souls tasted so much better. The C'tan were masters of the material universe, creating blackholes on a whim, ripping holes in reality and causing quasers to extinguish.

    The C'tan promished that the Necrontyr could win the war, but at a price, which the Necrontyr gladly accepted, but quickly regretted it. The C'tan created titanic engines of matter-conversion, that striped the soul and flesh and turned a person into a machine that couldn't be destroyed, scared or beaten. So the Necrontyr had died and the Necrons were born, with the laughter of hungering gods echoing through the void.

    So the war in heaven began...

    With their newfound power, immortality and the help from beings that can manipulate the material realm to their wishes, the war quickly turned in the Necrons favor. The Old ones were on the Backfoot, they couldn't kill the Necrons anymore and many of their allies and creations were going extinct. But they still had one big advantage, their psychic powers. The Necrons, and C'tan were incredibly vulnerable too psychic powers, but this ended up being their doom.

    Before the Warp became the Warp, it was "the realm of souls". A place were all souls ended up to spend eternity in bliss. During the war in heaven, the Realm was overloaded. So much death, hate and misery was raving the galaxy, and the realm couldn't handle that, it was corrupted beyond all repair. The Realm of souls was no longer a place for harmony and peace, but a twisted reflection of the galaxy that corrupts all it touches. When the Warp was born, the Old ones and Elder practically went extinct because the psychic backlash was so great. The war was almost over, and the Silent king, the High lord of the Necrontyr, saw the error of his way and realised that he had doomed his kind and the rest of the universe. he plotted in secret with his greatest generals and scientists to destroy the C'tan. When the war was over, the Necrons turned on the C'tan, unleashing their most potent weapons of destruction. The C'tan were shattered, but not before breaking the Necron empire in a thousand pieces.

    With the galaxy a lifeless wasteland, the Silent king ordered the Necrons to a great slumber, to hopefully never wake again.




    Damn, i went all in on this.
     
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  15. NIGHTBRINGER
    Slann

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    From a certain point of view.

    And thus it was that the mighty legend of the NIGHTBRINGER came into being!!!

    NOPE. Pay no heed to this. This is merely Matt Ward's sick and twisted shenanigans.
     
  16. Aginor
    Slann

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    Thanks for the recap @Captaniser !
    @NIGHTBRINGER care to elaborate? I sont understand your post, I really know as much about 40k as Jon Snow... :D
     
  17. NIGHTBRINGER
    Slann

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    In the old codex (which is the one I used when I fielded my necrons back in the day), the C'tan were in charge. Most of the origin story remains similar, but the Necrons never had an uprising against the C'tan, the C'tan were not defeated by the Necrons and the C'tan were not reduced to shards. The C'Tan did have a "civil war" of sorts between one another, as they consumed each other. Eventually only 4 C'tan remained (Nightbringer, Deceiver, Void Dragon and the Outsider). Of the four only the Nightbringer and Deceiver were active. The Necrons themselves remained slaves to the C'tan, and were unified under them (no dynasties/factions).

    This is the old codex I speak of:
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    In the codex (written by Matt Ward) that followed the one pictured above, the Necron's lore was retconned and changed to the one you are familiar with. Personally, I hated the change. Firstly, I love the C'tan (no surprise there), and was hoping to get the remaining two added (only the Nightbringer and Deceiver had rules) in the new codex. I was extremely disappointed (maybe only a shade less than AoS or Jar Jar level disappointment) to see that not only were the remaining C'tan not added, but the C'tan were reduced to shards. Secondly, I loved the idea of having the Necrons exist as a single unstoppable force. There was something menacing about that idea; an ancient and forgotten enemy that represented an overwhelming threat. I loved the old fluff, and could never accept the new one. I started into this hobby with Necrons and I loved them. I have many great memories with them, and I was sad to see the fluff I enjoyed so much flushed down the toilet.
     
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  18. Killer Angel
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    Nice recap, indeed!
    Many things i didn't know
     
  19. Aginor
    Slann

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    Ok I understand now, thanks!
    (I didn't even know the importance of your name in that regard. Never heard of the dude.)
     
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    Slann

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    The Nightbringer:

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