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AoS Bloodclaw battalion is bad now? AOS 2.0

Discussion in 'Seraphon Army Lists' started by Dimitris, Aug 2, 2018.

  1. Dimitris
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    So thw battalion says that all generals can use their command abillities.On the new rules u can spend command points so u use other comand abilities dowa that mwan thar the battalion is useless now?
     
  2. Aginor
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    That's not fully clear. It seems GW forgot to change the bataillon.
    The most likely change is that the ability will work like the identical one from the Starbeast Constellation. That one was changed already.
     
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    Which is? I havent see the new starbeast constelation
     
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    Nvm i found it.Y propably that would be iy do we know when they wilk release a new faq?
     
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    Unfortunately we don't know.
    Soon I hope, there is a lot more I'd like to see clarified/corrected.
     
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  6. Putzfrau
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    Bloodclaw literally doesnt exist at the moment in 2.0.

    When you search seraphon battalions in the AoS app, it just isnt there. Theres no updated rules to use with the new command point system.

    Hopefully they update it, it was my favorite battalion.
     
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    I understand where you are coming from, but going by rules as written you are wrong.
    All Age of Sigmar rules that are not explicitly invalidated by newer rules are still considered valid in AoS2.
    The Errata sheets and the rule books clearly say which warscrolls are no longer supposed to be used.

    Bloodclaw Starhost is mentioned in none of them as an invalidated bataillon warscroll. The errata sheet, core book, and GHB2018 do invalidate other warscrolls (the printed warscrolls, except those for bataillons, in the Seraphon Battletome for example) and they change the content of others (like the Starbeast Constellation of all things, the most useless bataillon we have), but not the Bloodclaw.
    In fact the General's Handbook 2018 even has a points cost to use it in matched play, and that is clearly not an error of the book, because they even changed its points value.

    So while in effect you are right - it is probably not worth using the warscroll because it has an ability that doesn't fit the new rules - it literally does exist and is valid for use in any game mode of AoS2.
     
  8. Putzfrau
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    Sorry, you're absolutely right. I should have clarified that it doesnt functionally exist within the current ruleset. It does not have a 2.0 warscroll, but you could absolutely use it if you wanted to. One of its benefits would just be useless.

    I was being pretty extreme, I guess I'm a little hot about it still haha.

    For whatever its worth, it's also not available to add as a battalion in the Azyr app.
     
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  9. Aginor
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    Yeah it is weird, they really seem to have forgotten to change it, like quite some other things as well. We can only hope for a new FAQ that corrects the warscroll. I expect the ability to get the same text as the ability with the same name on the Starbeast Constellation warscroll.

    AoS2 rules generally speaking are not bad IMO, but the release was a failure. It seems rushed, which causes some of the rules cluttering we have now, and I just don't believe GW when they say they did "extensive play testing" because many of those issues were spotted by numerous community members almost instantly (within five days or so) when the rules were leaked, even without playing the game for a second.
    GW should have at least a few (one to five) players of each army who have played it for years and know the rules well, to just give them all the rules and say: Check each warscroll for errors, weird wordings, and strange synergies, explain what effects they expect, and make suggestions.
    People would do that for free, just to help prevent what happened this year, I am sure about that. Everyone would focus on the few armies they know well, so you would even have some overlapping, because people would check their army, and at least two or three other armies such as allies and regular opponents. Not everyone will notice all errors, but I am sure they would spot the most severe stuff like the ones that were fixed in the FAQs lately.
    If they already have such people, they should replace some of them because they did a bad job.
     
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  10. ILKAIN
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    In my store we have ruled that the blood claw ability is treated as " any hero within 20 inches of the Old one on carno may use its command ability once without using a command point. its a bit literal on the wording of the ability, but makes the battalion useable
     
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    and by usable you mean absurdly strong :)
     
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    it was always a stronger battalion. at least you cant spam them for free.
     
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    Yeah, for sure. Definitely a cool interpretation and seems closest to the original rule. That or the "d3+1 extra command points" seems most plausible.
     
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    the only reason I don't like the d3+1 extra is that that ability is attached to battalions that have sub battalions and it makes sense... this battalion doesn't have sub battalions that can be put under it.
     
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    Ya, i think most people just compare it since pre 2.0 that rule and the bloodclaw rule were the same, so it kind of makes sense they would be the same post 2.0.

    Either way, hopefully it gets FAQ'd soon.
     
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    I doubt they checked all armys and all battalions tho they propably checked the newest and the most popular ones xD
     
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    Exactly that's the problem! :D
     
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    XD well it wae expected tho :p
     
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    Sure, kind of... but.... I was still optimistic since GW really improved a lot of things during the last two years. I...kinda hoped decent playtesting would find its way to them.
     
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    Like every major company they only test what is trend any non trend will have to wait :p bad move from gw tho but.Better release more Stormcast
     

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