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AoS Saurys Oldblood on Carnosaur: COMMAND ABILITY

Discussion in 'Rules Help' started by General Grivious, Oct 1, 2018.

  1. General Grivious
    Saurus

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    Question:

    The command hability "Ancient Warlord" of the Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur can be stacked?

    I mean, if i have 3 CP, i can use them on himself, making 3 (+2+2+2) attack on 3+/3+/-1/D3 on his mele weapon Sunstone Spear ???

    Thx for the answers
     
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  2. Koriialstraz
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    Koriialstraz Well-Known Member

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    IIRC, yes you can .
     
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  3. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Yes.
    The FAQ says that command abilities stack except when noted otherwise.
     
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  4. Killer Angel
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    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    I don't doubt it will be FAQed again, 'cause it leads to silly abuses.
     
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  5. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    I actually think it won't globally be FAQed, but they will change the rule texts of the command abilities to clarify those that create imbalance when stacked.
     
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  6. General Grivious
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    Okay thx all :D,
    I'm happy that it can be stacked, yesterday i kill an Arkhan (10 pv) with 3 CP and 1 wound left xD
     
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  7. DeathBringer125
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    DeathBringer125 Well-Known Member

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    Hey also I realized that oldblood on carno command ability can’t be used on jaws unfortunately. Was that recent?
     
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  8. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Huh? Who said that?
     
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  9. General Grivious
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    Well, we should know if the Carnosaur is considering as an HERO SERAPHON (including the oldblood) or its separeted: Carno (the mount) / Oldblood (Hero Seraphon).
     
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  10. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    It is one model, the warscroll says so.

    The rules that make a distinction between rider and mount apply for command traits and artefacts. I'll check the book in a minute though.
     
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  11. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Page 242 of the core book explicitly states what I said above, command _abilities_ (don't confuse them with command _traits_) are not mentioned here, nor is such a restriction mentioned in the paragraphs that talk about them on page 228 of the core book.
     
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  12. General Grivious
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    So if i have 3 CP i can use them on the carnausor's massive jaws making 5 (if he dont suffer wounds) + 6 attacks on 4/3/-1/3 ???
     
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  13. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Yep.
    It sounds overpowered but in fact it is way less powerful than some things other armies can do with three CPs.

    Example: Three "Waaagh"s by an Ironjawz Megaboss on a unit of Brutes.
     
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  14. General Grivious
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    But the things its play him with an battalion:

    Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260)
    - General
    - Trait: Disciplined Fury
    - Artefact: Blade of Realities

    Turn 2 the general can make 3+8 (4 CPs) attacks on 3+(re-roll 1)/3+/-2/D3 -
    You can go kill an Hero easly, more if its a monster ...
     
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  15. Canas
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    Yeah, but that's only pulling it once, and only killing 1 target. Stuff like 3 waaghs involves murdering half an army worth of stuff in one go, which is slightly more problematic…

    Plus, there's plenty of stuff that can oneshot heroes or monsters anyway. It's not particularly out of whack compared to other things given the costs.
     
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  16. DeathBringer125
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    Oh wow ty lol I did confuse command traits.
     
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  17. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    No problem. The same happened to a lot of people when the rules were released. We were already jumping around screaming "Carnosaur nerf OMG" before someone noticed. :D
     
  18. General Grivious
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    Wait, Ancient Warlord make in an area effect or is it used for a single unit?
     
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  19. Crowsfoot
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    Crowsfoot Guardian of Paints Staff Member

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    Any Saurus Hero within 20" it does not say single so it's an area effect.
     

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