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8th Ed. Ogre Kingdoms Septemer(ish)

Discussion in 'Lizardmen & Saurian Ancients Discussion' started by Arli, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. Arli
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    On another forum, these pictures were posted of the upcoming Ogre Kingdom release. Needless to say, I will be broke until after Christmas.

    A new Scraplauncher:
    scraplauncher.jpg

    Or you could use the same kit to make this:
    skytitancannon.jpg

    New Calvary (Rhinox, but probably not, looks more like sabertusk cavalry):
    battlecats.jpg

    Two versions of the new Monstrous creature:
    stonehorn.jpg
    stonehorn2.jpg

    Or use the kit to make this mount (Tyrant goes here I am sure):
    mammox.jpg

    Discuss....
     
  2. Gor-rok
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    Ohhh... Ahhhg... Been waiting so long...

    I've got several battalion boxes ready... Must enter cryogenic sleep until this comes out...
     
  3. icecool208
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    when choosing my army it was either LM or ogres and I choose LM and orge kingdoms as a 2nd army later on. if I had chosen orges I would have been kinda mad because there coming out with new army book too right?
     
  4. Lord Cedric
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    Wow!!!! Those are some sweeeeeeet models! I just purchased my Ogre Army this summer from a Craigslist ad.. got 1 army box (not the battalion), butcher, 2 boxes of bulls, 1 box leadbelchers, and hero and codex ( think there's a few more) for $45 and 1/4 are painted. But seeing THESE models! Yeah... gonna get some. :)
     
  5. Arli
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    Gotta love craigslist! I have not done that well. I got mine for about $125. It is about 3k worth of models. No scrap launcher or gnoblars. They have been shelved for most of the time that I have had them. They are stripped of old paint and primed and waiting for a new paint job though. Good thing my Lizardmen are alost copletely painted.

    About the models, I agree, these are nice. I have seen posted on Ogre Stronghold and Warseer a lot of hatred on these models. I like them. A fair number of people do not think they fit the fluff for Ogres, but I usually do not even read the fluff, just the rules (exception about the warhamer books like Grey Seer books).
     
  6. Shaslain
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    Yea, they have buzzing about this on the ogre stronghold for a while now. I play ogres (well werewolf ogres) and I think that most of the sculpts are great, except the ogre riders and the new rhinox/cats. I am debating on whether or not to buy the mommoth kit just because it looks pretty good, but I would definitely not want it to have the silly looking man boob ogres on it. o_O
     
  7. Arli
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    Could you post some pictures of those Werewolf Ogres, I would love to see those.
     
  8. Shaslain
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    Yea, I would love to post some, but I need to get a digital camera first and I always forget to get one when I am getting my electronics. But I will have to try extra hard to remember that, since I have had multiple requests from different places to get some pictures up of my stuff.

    My next challenge is to figure out a proper wolf-like model to represent some of the new figures in my army :p.
     
  9. strewart
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    Wow they are some very impressive models actually! I'm surprised and impressed.

    I have a friend who collects Ogres, hopefulyl his army gets a bit more power (but not too much!) and he grabs some of these nice new models.
     
  10. Gor-rok
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    Well, my initial euphoria has worn off. Cannon and stonehorn are spectacular, no two ways about it. However...

    Those cat things are going to have their teeth trimmed down in my army, no two ways about it. This obsession with monster tusks so oversized and nonsensically placed it would be impossible for the creature to eat has got to end, GW.

    Look at the new chimera, one of the manticore head options, these cats, and whatever obscenity the ogres are riding in the last picture. At least give it a prehensile snout or something. Seriously. Mouths full of razor sharp fangs, but nothing can get close enough to bite you because their "awesome" tusks are in the way. I love the models otherwise, but it doesn't take a very big nugget of dog feces to ruin a delicious hamburger.

    That said, I'd like to offer my profound gratitude to those responsible for the chain of decisions that will once and for all remove the metal scraplauncher model from my life.
     
  11. CarpetRacer
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    I noticed that too. They're supposed to be saber toothed cats; the tusks make it look more like a hog-cat than a sabretooth. What they have kinda kills the predatory look of the sabretusks.

    Before I bought my LM, I built an ogre army. They haven't seen much use; the rules for ogres are just feeble. Hopefully, they address that with the new book.

    The 'mammoth'-y lookin things really remind me of the art in D&D books. Not sure if want, really. I've also seen it said that the 'feel' of these models are off; more akin to O&G or Chaos than ogres. The cat-thing riders look straight retarded; they don't really even look like cats (Interesting thing here; they must've grown considerably from the sabretusks in the current book). I mean, I could understand ogre mammoths, but the stonetusks don't really jive too well with the ogre theme they have going; rhinox = fat, sabretusks = muscular, ogres = fat, gorgers / yetis = muscular, stonetusks = big and skinny?, hog-cat things = giant sabre tusks with 4/5s of their mass in the head and shoulders?

    While I do like the new scraplauncher model, the cannon makes the one rhinox pulling it look... inadequate.

    Also, don't really like the change in the armor asthetic; kinda looks more Chaosy than Ogreish. The old armor was a gut plate, chain, and shields strapped to the body. Maybe it's just the picture, but the armor looks kinda dumpy.

    Rules revision wise, I'm hoping for cheaper ogres (they are grossly over priced as is for what they do), improved weapon skill for ironguts, they ability to actually have armor; while ogres have three wounds, they don't have good wound retention; doesn't help that they have crap weapon skill, crap initiative, etc. For an army that is almost devoid of any appreciable magic or ranged, they suck at CC. So, hopefully they redesign the army significantly, otherwise my ogres will end up sitting on the bench for a long while.

    Now, rants aside, I do like Ogres, they're my first army, and are considerably more painted than my LM. With some rule adjustments, they can be good. As it is now, an Ogre victory is probably more of a fluke than them being a solid army. With the new models, I think they should've went with a mammoth instead of a 'stonetusk', and kept the Rhinox instead of the new hog cat things for cavalry.

    Anyway, will definately have to scope out if the new book is worth getting or not.
     
  12. Arli
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    I am stoked about the upcoming Ogre release...Sorry for the long post...

    Darnok over on Warseer had these rumors to share:
    It's birdy time.


    Quote Magic:
    Ogre Magic has been reworked and spellcasting now works the same way as for all wizards. Spells are pretty much similar to what they used to be, except they last until next magic phase and are not RIP. Lore attribute is bloodgruel - on 2+ mage gains 1 wound and +1 to cast for his next spell, on a 1 takes an S6 hit.
    Ogre mages can take great maw, death, heavens and beasts magic.
    New mage model is the firebelly, who uses lore of fire, costs araound a fifth more than an empire cannon, can be upgraded to lvl 2 for the standard price of a wizard upgrade, can take a great weapon or extra hand weapon and has S4 breath attack, flaming attacks and 4+ ward vs fire.

    Magic items and big names:
    Big names still there and come out of magic item allowance. Didn't get changed that much from what you currently have. Best one is probably giantbreaker - doesn't require giant in the army - for the cost of dispel scroll model can't refuse challenges or flee but gets +1S.
    Magic items are few and generally meh compared with common items. Thundermace basically gives you one thundercrush attack just like the sphinx has for a ton of points. Most interesting item is hellheart, which causes a miscast in all enemy mages within 5xD6" at the beginning of enemy magic phase - one use only, costs 2 scrolls.

    Core units now include ironguts at five points less than they used to be, and with all command models costed at +10 points (which is same across the book).
    You can get 40 gnoblars for the cost of one dark elf sorceress, and they come with throwing weapons attached and no prerequisites.

    Special units got a lot of changes, leadbelchers will now fire D6 shots every turn, no misfires, and are move and fire with no penalty for moving. They cost one point less than Yhetees, which cost one point less than talisman of preservation.

    Maneaters are half an empire cannon in points, and basically choose two special rules (you cannot chose the same special rule for two units) from a group of 8 - including poisoned attacks, sniper, stubborn, swiftride, strider, vanguard, itp, scout.

    Mournfang cavalry is the new heavy cav, with a lot of options (potentially a 2+ armour save), tons of attacks and a price tag that is in the vicinity of a bloodcrusher, depending on what armour/weapons you take. 3 wounds, D3 impact hits and a total of 7 attacks per model make them somewhat fearsome.

    Gorger is now special and gets a bit more expensive, but loses the rule by which it had to end movement closer to an enemy unit. It does have frenzy, unbreakable, killing blow and ambusher special rules.

    Rare
    Scrapalauncher is rare, slightly cheaper I think and similar to what it does now (S3 KB catapult)
    Ironblaster is an empire cannon with horrible fluff and a pretty unpleasant misfire chart. It is nearly as expensive as a hydra, but has move and fire, S10 grapeshot and a special rule that allows you to roll two dice for bounce and chose the highest, even if one is a misfire.

    The two mammoth-like critters are:
    the stonehorn, which can have a mounted harpoon launcher (S6 D3 wounds 36" bolt thrower that doesn't penetrate ranks and is move and fire if mounted), 4+ armour save, does a lot of S6 impact hits on the charge, has dragon-like stats (but lower WS, Ld and initiative), M7, 4+ armour save and a special rule which halves the damage from all multiple-wound weapons that hit it.

    and

    the thundertusk, which is a support version of the above - has a mounted catapult that doesn't get hurt in any way by misfires, a harpoon and a 12" S6 KB weapon (chaintrap) - 3 weapons on its back, and gives all enemy models within 6" ASL. The tradeoff is - no impact hits and one less attack.

    Both of these big beasties cost as much as around 5 wraiths.

    A stonehorn can also be the mount for a hunter, which costs almost as much as a high elf prince.

    Last but not least: the sabertusk. Special unit, 1-10 unit size. Each one has 3 S4 attacks, so aside from being the redirector of your dreams, it can sometimes work as a mage assassin. One costs slightly more than 4 halberdiers. T4 and two wounds.

    They can't use general's leadership or battle standard re-roll, and their own LD is 4 - and can only be joined by a hunter - so I would say they will only come in two unit sizes - 1 or 10+hunter. This second option is not so bad - the unit will cost you some 350 points, but it has vanguard, swiftstride, and 30 S4 WS4 I4 attacks + whatever the hunter brings.
    Now if that's not tasty - thanks birdy.
     
  13. Lord Cedric
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    WOW!!! I've played a couple games with my ogres and that's about it. They are fun, but thought they didn't have much diversity options... but wow! Sounds like a much needed boost. I'm anxious to get the new army book and pick up some models to supplement what Ive got. Thanks for the info! :D
     
  14. Arli
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    Here is some more picture goodnessbroght to you by someone over on Warseer:

    Best first, a Firebelly. This guy will have access to the lore of fire and also possess a str 4 breath weapon.
    firebelly.jpg

    Next is Golfag. This guy is a special character Maneater. Apparently with this guy, all the maneaters get a vanguard move and sniper (not sure if that if the rule though):
    golgfag.jpg

    A new character named Bragg. Maybe Skragg's brother.
    braggthegutsman.jpg

    A new picture of a hunter on the monstrous mount. He has a vulture to sick on other models (hopefully).
    hunterwithbloodvulture.jpg

    Lastly, another view on the cavalry. Looks alot better at this angle too.
    mournfangcavalry.jpg
     
  15. Craken
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    The fire breather is awesome.
     
  16. strewart
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    I agree, the Ogres are finally going to be a very impressive looking army with some good variety!

    I dislike many of GW policies, and I despise their prices, but I have to admit they are making very nice looking models.
     

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