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8th Ed. Salamanders

Discussion in 'Rules Help' started by Dog On Todd, Jan 18, 2012.

  1. Dog On Todd
    Kroxigor

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    Hello again!

    So:
    -Can Salamanders march and shoot (I thought so..)?
    -Is their attack a breath weapon (I thought not)?
    -Is their attack a missile attack?

    Thanks a lot!
     
  2. Arli
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    They can march and shoot. It is razordons that cannot. They get the march and shoot from being skirmishers.
    They do not have a breath weapon. That is in the Lizardmen FAQ.
    Their attack is a template attack.

    Hope this helps.
     
  3. Dog On Todd
    Kroxigor

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    It does! Only confusion remains about a template attack versus a missile attack. I thought missile encompassed template attacks
     
  4. Arli
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    Generally, a missle attack uses the ballistic skill to determine how many of the target is hit. The template hits whatever it touches in 8th edition. Plus, in standard missle attacks, you do not roll the artillery die.
     
  5. BEEGfrog
    Razordon

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    Also different rule on models in a building touched by a template.
     
  6. Ejpok
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    Hello,
    I've got more questions about Salamanders.
    -What Happens if Falme cage is cast on them? Do skink handlers get hit if they move?
    -I i have 2Salamanders and 1 handler, and i roll a misfire and eat the last skink i have to pass a LD test or roll on the Monstr reaction Table? Or I have to Roll on the Monster Reaction Table and I I will be not able to shoot?
    -And if I pass a Ld test I can control my Salamanders with no handlers??:)
     
  7. Arli
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    1. The skinks are only wound counters. Think of them as a 5+ ward save. On a 5+ the skink handler takes the wound. So, essentially, they have a 5+ scaly skin armor save and then on a 5+, a handler takes the wound for them.

    2. If you have only one snack (handler) and you roll a misfire, your sally eats the one skink. Then you roll a leadership test. If you pass, you are good until you misfire again. After a misfire, you cannot shoot. That counts for each salamander too. So if two are in one unit, you can still shoot the second when the first one misfires. If there are no more handlers, you may need a leadership test (but you should take that as soon as there are no more handlers). On that note, I have seen some really awesome salamanders that have eaten all their snacks and become unbreakable or shake it off and continue to burn up units. I love when that happens.

    3. Yes, if you pass the test, you do not need any handlers. As I stated above though, if you misfire again, you will have to take another leadership test (I would anyway).
     
  8. n810
    Slann

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    Hmmm... Just noticed an odd entry in the latest Skaven FAQ.



    Q: When firing a Warpfire Thrower, can you place the template
    in such a way that it could hit friendly models after moving the
    template the distance rolled on the artillery dice? (p60)

    A: Yes, though it cannot be placed over any friendly models
    before you move it.


    (Warpfires are functional Very similar to Salamanders.)
     
  9. Arli
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    Yea, I have been know to exploit that and accidentally roast some skinks!
     
  10. Dog On Todd
    Kroxigor

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    Yeah,

    I typically do things like that to shoot enemy units in combat.

    1 Dead saurus to roast 6 or 7 orcs? :meh:
     
  11. HoverBoy
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    I don't do it cuz i have standarts.
     
  12. Dog On Todd
    Kroxigor

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    If/when you roll on the monster reaction table, can you still shoot with all of the reactions?

    3-4 (GRRR) Looks like you can, but only at the closest enemy.
    1-2 looks like I could if I pass stupidity?
    5-6 looks like I could, unless I am forced to charge (so hopefully fail, and shoot!)

    Am I about right?

    Just debating whether to take a snack for my sally in a low point game, or use the points towards another saurus
     
  13. Arli
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    A snack is only worth it if you have 1 salamander. If the unit has more than one salamander, it shares the snacks. So, a unit of 2 will have a total of 6 snacks. You should be ok with that number (dice gods be willing).
     
  14. BEEGfrog
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    Skink snacks are also salamander wound tokens and so may not be there when required.

    I mostly agree with Arli, but would err toward more snacks than him. Definitely add a snack with one sallie think about it with two, but as Arli says not really worth it with three sallies.
     
  15. Dog On Todd
    Kroxigor

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    Maybe necrothreading.. but I still have more sally questions and my last one wasn't answered :jawdrop:

    1) "If/when you roll on the monster reaction table, can you still shoot with all of the reactions?

    3-4 (GRRR) Looks like you can, but only at the closest enemy.
    1-2 looks like I could if I pass stupidity?
    5-6 looks like I could, unless I am forced to charge (so hopefully fail, and shoot!)"

    2) Do Sallies have Swiftstride as a warbeast? The rulebook states the entire unit has to be warbeast/s. Skink handlers (i.e. "snacks") are the type "-"

    Thanks a lot guys! I'll try to be more active these days. Starting up a new campaign after the old one collapsed
     
  16. HoverBoy
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    Yup at the closest.
    Also true.
    If you pass the restrain test to act normally, because if you fail a charge you can't shoot after.

    Handlers are ignored so yes.
     
  17. Myster2
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    Sorry i'm bringing this up from an old thread as it was never answered and just happened to me yesterday. What happened was I was playing a skaven player and I set my flame template down in front of my salamander as I always do before I roll the distance. The widest part of it was just barely over my unit of saurus and the Skaven player said "You can't do that", and he sighted the rule above. We discussed it and he let me do it anyways as any movement was going to place my template outside of hitting my saurus but since he has played much longer than I have i have been looking for clarification.

    What do you guys think? Does the rule above in the skaven faq apply to lizardmen?
     
  18. n810
    Slann

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    It was the only FAQ/rule anywhere that even came close to answering the question. :shifty:
     
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    Can Salamander use spout flame against a unit in combat?
     
  20. n810
    Slann

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    No. not even a little.
     

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