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AoS 1000 Extra thicc

Discussion in 'Seraphon Army Lists' started by Buldi, Jan 6, 2018.

  1. Buldi
    Saurus

    Buldi Member

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    I have a confession to make. I didn't play since GH2017 came out. Not with lizardmen at least (Khorne Bloodbound)
    But after some time i would like to go back to my saurus and skinks. There wille be a tournament, 1000 points. I have some ideas, but i cannot tell which is better. Every tipp will help.

    Here is one:

    Allegiance: Seraphon

    Leaders
    Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280)
    - General
    - Trait: Mighty War Leader
    - Artefact: Coronal Shield

    Skink Priest (80)
    - Priestly Trappings
    Skink Starpriest (80)

    Battleline
    40 x Saurus Warriors (360)
    - Spears
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Boltspitters & Star Bucklers

    Units
    1 x Salamanders (40)
    1 x Salamanders (40)
    3 x Skink Handlers (40)

    Total: 980 / 1000
    Allies: 0 / 200
    Wounds: 79

    Second:

    Allegiance: Seraphon

    Leaders
    Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280)
    - General
    - Trait: Disciplined Fury
    - Artefact: Coronal Shield

    Skink Priest (80)
    - Priestly Trappings
    - Artefact: Prism of Amyntok

    Skink Starpriest (80)
    Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One (100)

    Battleline
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    - Seraphon Battleline

    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    - Seraphon Battleline

    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    - Seraphon Battleline


    Units
    1 x Salamanders (40)

    Battalions
    Firelance Starhost (110)

    Total: 990 / 1000
    Allies: 0 / 200
    Wounds: 60
     
  2. Aginor
    Skink Priest

    Aginor Well-Known Member

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    I think both are solid lists for 1k. The second one looks a bit more streamlined.
    With good rolls the Knights can be pretty deadly actually, I once rolled over some Ironjawz with that list.
    It is however low on wounds so a bit more prone to die from mortal wounds.

    The first list looks a bit like a mixed bag without many synergies bit the 40 Saurus and the Carno might scare people into making poor decisions.
     
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  3. OnlyPerfect
    Jungle Swarm

    OnlyPerfect New Member

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    I run almost exclusively knights as battleline despite a lot of peoples feeling on them ( I have been thinking about doing a breakdown of how I use my knights on here but alas time restraints). I love the knights and how they play.

    That being said after a TON of trial and error I think that firelance is just to inconsistent to consider running in almost every case. I have had much better luck dropping the battalion and buffing one of the knights units up to 10. Then you have more models with more wounds that deal more consistent damage.

    PS-
    in a 1k list think about the benefits of the Scar vet on carno vs the OB on carno. They both have a place but 40 more points in your pool to buy some more wounds is pretty nice with sallys and razors in the mix.
     
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  4. Freddy25
    Kroxigor

    Freddy25 Well-Known Member

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    I don't like very much the fact that in your 2nd list you have just a Salamander alone (no handlers, not other Sallies): to me this hardly performs well...
    I honestly would
    - drop the Salamander
    - drop the Skink Priest (I don't like it because not so reliable)
    You now have a total of 130 pts to use as you prefer, 170 if you switch the Oldblood on Carno with a Scar-Vet on Carno, and another artifact to give to one of your characters.

    These points could be spent for
    - 1 handlers unit and 2+1 Salamanders/Razordons [artillery and table control] or
    - Chameleons [shooting]
    - Kroxigors [raw power against infantry]
    - Flying unit [enemy artillery/mages hunt]
    - 2 Skinks units and a Razor [meat shields/defensive options].

    (These are my personal preferences, I don't know if they are the most optimal choice though)

    Please, it would be really interesting to read such a breakdown: take your time, of course, but if you can try writing it (even if it isn't in the most esplicative way ever)!
    It could help lots of players (including me) use our knights in a more efficient way, and maybe people would start valuing them more than it is now!
     
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  5. Buldi
    Saurus

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    Well, my enemies will be probably DoT, SE, FC, skaven, other lizardmen
     
  6. Buldi
    Saurus

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    I've made some changes in the first list. Dropped the sallies for better mobility to ge those objectives

    Allegiance: Seraphon

    Leaders
    Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280)
    - General
    - Trait: Mighty War Leader
    - Artefact: Coronal Shield

    Skink Priest (80)
    - Priestly Trappings

    Skink Starpriest (80)

    Battleline
    40 x Saurus Warriors (360)
    - Spears
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Boltspitters & Star Bucklers

    Units
    3 x Ripperdactyl riders (140)
     
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  7. OnlyPerfect
    Jungle Swarm

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    I might sound like a broken record, but I feel like the old blood on a carno is a bit of a miss in this list when compared to the Scar-vet on a carno. Without more Saurus heroes you aren't getting the full mileage out of the OB's command ability. While the Scarvet's Command ability works pretty well with a block of 40 warriors. I know the OB does a bit more damage and the possibility of a 6 damage bit is nasty but without the shield isn't quite as durable (even with the priests). If you are dead set on the OB maybe try to fit another Saurus hero or 2 in the list.

    The skink priest plus starpreist combo to make the 40 block a lot tougher is a nice idea to try to cover a weakness of theirs, but their real strength is in offense Astrolith and OB on foot are both options to think about here.

    Despite my tips I do like the list. I think it's down fall might be in it's lack of synergies. A fully buffed OB on carno is something to fear at 1k though that is for sure. I have ran it a few times to great effect. Let us know as you start getting some games in with your stuff. I'm sure everyone would love to hear about your experiences!
     
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  8. Buldi
    Saurus

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    Thanks! I will consider the veteran, indeed it may be a better idea. I will post the results alfter some battles, stay tunned!
     
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