Yet something else I haven't given up on and intend on seeing through to the end. I felt it best to put all the comments, musings and info from the Historian in The Third Dawn in a separate thread, though whenever I update one topic, I'll put a link across to the other so updates should still fit in nicely and hopefully without splitting up the various stories too much. And with that said....here we go. Historian's Note: My lord, I feel at this stage I owe you an apology, the wealth and magnitude of the information you have provided me with has made me forget my place and protocol. I would therefore like to take a small aside from my musings and translations to provide you with some much needed information with regards to myself and my purpose with these works. All information that I supply, including my speculations are always made from a point of fact, or reference to the evidence supplied. It matters not if such information is trustworthy, or complete fallacy, I report facts in the most unbiased manner, as any good Historian should do. Personal beliefs, bias and opinions have no place in the presentation, for the act of doing so cheapens the telling. I am, much like yourself, a devote follower of Sigmar, I regularly flagellate, even lead processions and festivities made in his honour. I am regularly tested, my faith and constitution tested to the highest level, my works scrutinized down the the ink and parchment on which they lay. Not once have I been found wanting, never have I been viewed with suspicion, nor my words held in doubt, nor judged as verging on the heretical. My job is and always has been to provide the facts, in many ways I am a teller of stories, a vessel of information, you will not find me wanting. With that now said I shall press into greater detail as your lordship requested I examine, the nature of the Lustrian Deities, The Old Ones. As I previously mentioned, I have found little information at best and having reviewed all previous findings, absolutely no information on what they actually look like, a very strange discovery as every other culture, even the heretical ones, have a clear notion of what their Gods look like. Yet the Lustrian culture is unlike any other, the word "God" or near enough translation doesn't even occur. In many ways this could be directly linked to the Lizardmen's attitude toward The Old Ones, they don't "believe", indeed the word belief does not even feature to the Lizardmen, for they KNEW them, the notion of belief is a ridiculous concept. Asking a Lizardman on his/her belief in The Old Ones would be akin to asking a citizen of the Empire in his or her belief in the town cryer. Why would anyone believe in something they know to be real? As for the titles of The Old Ones, as I stated previously these are more descriptive of the nature, rather than the form, something all races use. For example, if describing a particularly odious, or devious individual, one might use the term "Toad like", or the slur "Rat". One, or two word honorifics that encompass a multitude of descriptive characteristics, including their physical appearance and behaviour. With The Old Ones however it serves only a basic description of being in question, for how does one accurately describe the infinite? Much of the terms used are made more in reference to the "spawnings" presented by the associated Old One. Huanchi (as I mentioned previous) is often titled as the "Jaguar God", yet he is in no way affiliated with the animal in question, but those blessed by him/her have an affinity with stealth and are capable of effortless navigating through dense jungle terrain. Huanchi is therefore the Jaguar God, but it is just as important to note that this does NOT tell us anything about the Huanchi him/herself. Building on from this I will now cover the Lizardman pantheons, which are just as much of a muddle. All other religions have pantheons for their gods, an individual god's position within their pantheon is almost always dependent upon their power, influence, followers, etc. The pantheon of The Old Ones however is very different (with perhaps one exception that I will cover shortly). The Lustrian pantheon weighs heavily on how active an Old One is, the more prophecies that occur in relation to an Old One, or an increase in spawnings of a particular Old One, will increase, or decrease their position. Power, might and worshipers never come into play, for what use is the most powerful of Gods, if they take no role in their subjects' lives? Even more interestingly, The Old Ones seem to treat their pantheon as a position or equal honour and responsibility, some in the first tier even (for want of a better phrase) "giving up" their seat for an Old One in a lower tier for a time, as they might become dormant for as long as a thousand years or so, before returning and their "Mark" once again becoming manifest. In this way, the Pantheon is shared and every Old One, is given their due time to dwell in both the First tier AND the Third tier. The exception: Sotek current resides as the dominant Old One, prior to this he/she was considered a minor Old One (the only one I have been able to find) but rose to per-eminence during an incredibly brutal war that near overwhelmed the continent. Sotek is associated with ferocity and serpents (Refer below, Note: I) and seen as a very minor character prior too, specifically an Old One of the Skinks (a smaller Lizardmen) and until this grand emergence, resided in the Fifth Tier of the Lustrian pantheon. Regarding the tiers of the pantheon: I have now found reference to Five tiers within the Lustrian pantheon, the are: The First Tier: Active Old Ones, that is to say Old Ones whose markings can be seen on current Lizardmen within Lustrian society and whose prophecies have recently emerged/are currently being addressed. (It should also be noted that Markings of an Old One are directly linked to prophecy, a need for a particular prophecy, or stellar event means an increase in the markings of that particular Old One). Presently the first tier contains the largest number of Old Ones, they are as follows: Sotek, Serpent God - Ruling Old One. Chotec, Lord of the Sun - Second in command, previously the ruling Old One. Itzl, Old One of cold-blooded beasts Tepok, the inscrutable, Old One of magic and wisdom Huanchi, Jaguar, Old One of the earth and night - Returned in the last three hundred years from the Second Tier. Tzunki, lord of Water, agility, and keen eyesight - Recently returned (the last one hundred years) from the Third Tier. Tlazcotl (possibly also called Tlaxcotl), the impassive, patient, and determined - Interestingly enough, has often been towards the lower end of the First Tier, or the higher end of the Second Tier. Quetzl, The Protector, Warrior-Defender - Possibly due to move to the Second or Third Tier in the next hundred years or so, Quetzl has been prominent in the First Tier for the last five thousand years. The Second Tier: Inactive/Passive Old Ones, Old Ones whose markings have not been seen for three hundred years, but individuals who carry such markings are still alive. No prophecies currently exist, or are still active. The Third Tier: Dormant Old Ones, Old Ones who have not been seen, or mentioned in many thousands of years, their markings are rare, individuals carrying such markings are likely thousands of years old. Any prophecies linked to such an Old One are likely unfulfilled. The Fourth Tier: The forgotten, Old Ones who exist now only in name, no markings exist, or have been witnessed in the world for thousands, if not tens of thousands of year. Ceremonies and events in their honour are carried up, yet they are sombre affairs as none who conduct them remember the significance of the words spoken. It could be that these Old Ones have turned their backs on their subjects altogether, fallen, or are engaged upon a task of such complexity and import that they cannot attend to their subjects until such matters are resolved. Any prophecies associated with these Old Ones have likely been forgotten, or lost. The Fifth Tier: The lost, Old Ones within this Tier are remembered, but with the exception of Xholankha they are no longer honoured, nor celebrated. Old Ones within this tier have no current subjects carrying their mark or blessing, nor are such markings remembered. Outcast would perhaps make for a more accurate reference were it not for the Old One Xholankha. Other Old Ones within this Tier include Rigg The Outcast and Xolotl The Un-named. At present I have found reference to only three Old Ones within this Tier, yet each is so different from the other that I will have to elaborate further. Concerning Xholankha. One could be forgiven for thinking that Xholankha belongs in the Fourth Tier, as he/she exists almost in name alone, no spawnings, or markings have ever been documented, nor any prophecies recorded. There is of course a slim chance that this is with good reason, due to the length of inactivity (more than eleven thousand years for what I've been able to deduce so far and it could well be longer). Xholankha is referred to simply as "The Lost", what few references I have been able to find so far have been vague, but it appears that many thousands of years ago Chaos did not exist, it was only after some terrible calamity that it spread like a ravaging cancer. In this disastrous event it appears that the Old Ones fled the world, as fighting would have seen them annihilated and by guiding, influencing and lending their power from a distance they stood a much greater chance of saving the world. Xholankha however did not flee with the rest and stayed to protect the world, but perished in the fight, some of the sources claim Xholankha is still alive and embarked on a near impossible quest to heal the world from within, yet this seems unlikely as there are no separate references to a way of purging Chaos from within and the number of counter-claims to his death are much greater. Concerning Rigg. Reasons for Rigg's disgrace are hazy at best, but from what I've been able to discern so far, it appears she (Indeed: She) broke a law, or pack with the other Old Ones and took on a true physical form and gender. She refused to return to her original state and actively left the other Old Ones to start a kingdom and civilization of her own (I've found reference to a place called "Amazon Island", I shall look into this further). As with Xholankha, she remained on the world during the spread of Chaos and apparently survived, though references towards her do not continue after that point. It appears the Lizardmen respect and tolerate this kingdom of Rigg and do not encroach on it, but nor do they celebrate her. Concerning Xolotl. Also referred to as "The Un-named", possibly a poor translation on my part, a more accurate term would be "title-less" as this Old One was disgraced due to some terrible act (though no mention of what that act have I been able to find). Xolotl's named is not spoken for fear of invocation, any prophecies associated with Xolotl are hidden away and not honoured. Any individuals carrying this Old One's mark are swiftly hunted down and destroyed (There has been no mention of any individuals possessing his mark, perhaps due to direct intervention from the other Old Ones). As for his fate, I cannot say, no reference have I been able to find beyond his exclusion from the pantheon. Note I: It should be noted that serpents in Lustrian culture are not viewed in the same way as they are in others. They are a symbol of medicine, even healing, although fabled for their venom, many botanists have remarked that a great deal of serpents have immunity to all manner of plagues, diseases and poisons.