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AoS Killer Angel's BatReps

Discussion in 'Battle Reports' started by Killer Angel, Sep 7, 2018.

  1. Wilhelm Stürmer
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    Wilhelm Stürmer Well-Known Member

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    @Killer Angel That does, thank you! So do you tend to try and get your Slann back into range of the Cogs each turn?
     
  2. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    that really depends on the situation. If i need to keep the slann near the engine for the additional dice, i move the Slann and leave the cogs behind.

    All in all, i saw that the cogs are very useful in the first 3 turns… if you need them also in the 4th, it means it's a close game and probably you are forced to keep the Slann in a defensive position, so still in cogs' range.
     
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  3. Lizerd
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    Well with some luck we could get a new battletome this year meaning a huge update in our stuff such as rend and and harder hitting units to counter bs like sequitors for 120 points.
     
  4. Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl
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    Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl Well-Known Member

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    Ah, that sucks. Didn't realise that.

    [​IMG]


    I imagine that unit was armed with Bladed Slingshields though - those do give Vulkites a 4+ save without Battlesmiths but at the penalty that they can't re-roll hits due to not having paired handaxes. My plan is to give those Vulkites a 4+ save with an attendant Battlesmith as well as re-rolling their to Hit rolls with their paired axes.
     
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  5. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    Yeah, that was it. Slingshields ;)
     
  6. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    GHB 2019

    with the new GHB and our new abilities, time to see how we can perform.

    A friend of mine plays Fyreslayers (not the same as the last battle, this is another one) and, given that he plans to buy another army, and he's thinking to Seraphon (hooray!), he wanted to see how they perform.


    so…


    Seraphon Vs Fyreslayers
    (2000 pts)



    Battleplan

    TOTAL CONQUEST

    4 obj pectives, deployment along the diagonal; each obj gives 1 pt, when you conquer an obj which was in enemy's hands, it's worth 2 points.



    Army Lists

    SERAPHON (mortal real: Ghur)

    Dracothion’s tail
    Slann (Quotek) stellar tempest
    Astrolith bearer
    Skink Starpriest stellar tempest
    Skink Starpriest Mystical Unforging
    Engine of the Gods
    Stegadon, great bow
    Stegadon, great bow 200
    3 razordons
    Firelance Starhost
    ScarVet on CO
    5 Saurus Knights
    5 Saurus Knights
    5 Saurus Knights

    Balewind vortex
    Purple sun



    It's a list with good summoning potential, enormous mobility and finally some nasty combo to deal with hordes.



    FYRESLAYERS

    - Runesmither on magmadroth (tyrant slayer, prayer of ash)
    - Auric runefather (general, warrior indominate)
    - Runesmiter
    - Battlesmith (icon of ancestors)
    - Battlesmith
    20 vulkite berserker
    20 vulkite berserker
    15 hearthguard berserker (these ones proxied by space marines: the models are not yet arrived)

    plus the Forge and 2 magmic invocations (runic fyrewall and molten infernoth)

    Hermdar Lodge: don't take battleshock if nearby an obj; vulkite and herthguards can attack first in combat

    Battalions: Lords of the Lodge (hearthguards can pile in and attack twice)


    basically the usual very hard to kill list, and a strong melee





    Set-Up

    i one-drop the DT: Slann, EotG, Astrolith, 1 Starpriest, 1 stegadon, 5 knights,
    all the rest is put in reserve.
    i just control one obj.

    my opponent places the heartguards on my left (supported by the general and a battlesmith), then 20 vulkite in almost central position with a runesmiter and the magmadroth) and 20 vulkite on my right, with the last battlesmith.
    he's in control of 1 obj but it will be trivial to take also the one on my right, near those vulkite.

    00_setup.jpg


    I opt to let my opponent go first.

    The constellation gives me a +1 to cast, which is nice given that I've got spells that needs a 8+

    Let's go!
     
  7. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    I know you won't be happy with this report, because alas it will be heavily incomplete.
    But i wanted to post it anyway for a good reason:


    this is a sort of tutorial "WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL OF A SERAPHON ARMY IN THE FIRST ROUND IF I WANT TO DEAL A SERIOUS BLOW?"



    FIRST ROUND



    FYRESLAYERS' turn

    Heroes do heroes' things and the prayers are summoned on the battlefield. The vulkite on my right are buffed to a save 2+ vs melee and 3+ vs shooting.

    the vulkite on the right take that obj.

    the berserker on the left run by 6" tnx to a cp and, with the buff granted by the rune, arrive to seize "my" obj on the left.

    01.jpg


    Fyreslayers take THREE obj points




    SERAPHON's turn


    ok, time to plan some decision.
    the rune of speed has been used, so i will be relatively safe for a while, but time is not on my side. I must take on obj from the fyreslayers, hold it and then take another one before it's too late. all of this should be done within 3 rounds, more or less

    the Hearthguard are only 15, but they are buffed by 2 heroes and already save at 4+/4++. and i'm not in the most favorable position to concentrate muy strenght, due to the limitation of the reinforcements from Dracothion's Tail (18" within the Slann)

    the vulkite on the right are a much more favorable target for the number of units i can call…. but save at 2+, and they are anyway "protected" by the lava monster, which can deal big damage to my units that will arrive in that zone.

    Nothing is optimal, but i select the vulkite (40 wounds that save at 2+, "only" 3+ vs shooting), and i go all in.


    Hero phase, pt 1:

    - 1° DT: a Starpriest arrive.
    - that St.Pr. casts successfully Purple sun against the vulkite
    - The Slann casts the vortex
    - the Slann casts the tempest on the vulkite
    - the EotG directs d6 MW on the vulkite

    after deleting the models, i can place the other reinforcements, exploiting the ranges for shooting and charges.

    - 2° DT: razordons arrive
    - 3° DT:1 unit of knight arrives
    - 4° DT: the scarvet on CO arrives

    02.jpg

    the Hero phase is still not finished.

    - LoSaT on the Astrolith, to buff the razordons and the charges
    - LoSaT on the stegadon + Alpha
    - DT: the other stegadon arrives
    - the Knights are buffed by the starpriest (serpents staff) and by the command ability of the scarvet

    then, in the shooting phase, i have the 2 steggies and the razordons that further punish the Vulkite

    03.jpg


    Charges:

    - the stegadon charges successfully, going within 12" from the astrolith bearer
    - the knights roll a double 2. Command point and also them arrives.

    after the magic and the shooting, 8 vulkite are still alive, but their attack (the go first) is poor.
    I manage to kill 3 of them.

    04.jpg

    in the end, i've killed 15 vulkite. the 5 survivors don't flee.
    I've got 5 knights and a stegadon, Fyreslayers have 5 vulkite and a hero.
    I'm not able to take the obj, so i collect only 1 point.

    3-1 for the Fyreslayers, but this was still a good result, if we consider how much resilient they are.
     
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  8. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    OK, the real BatRep ends here.
    it was too much intense, i took another couple of pictures, but then we were both too much into the game.

    SECOND ROUND

    The fyreslayers kept their initiative (and they will til the end of the game!), the vulkite moved away from the melee but kept the obj, going 6-1

    in my second turn i conquered that obj, killing some other vulkite, summoned a Carnosaur and call the other knights. 6-4

    i charged the Hearthguards with a stegadon, but failed to support it with knights and carnosaur (4 failed charges), so it was easily shredded by the hearthguards

    THIRD ROUND
    fyreslayers again.
    the Hearthguards move away from the obj (now guarded by the general) butcher the knights and the carnosaur, the magmadroth begins to approaching my units that conquered the left obj. 8-4

    i create a defensive line to protect my left obj, then tnx to magical attacks i kill the general and take the obj with LoSaT. 8-8

    in the fourth and fifth round the fyreslayers delete my army: the 2 starpriests, the EotG, the Astrlith bearer, all the knights and the Scarvet.
    but the price is high: they have only 2 hearthguards with a hero, the magmadroth and the unit of 20 vulkites which was forced to hold the obj for the fear of my teleports


    in my last turn Fyreslayers are 14-11.
    one obj is mine so i will go to 12.
    to conquer an obj won't serve… 14-14 but my opponent killed more points.

    so, i kill the wounded hero near the hearthguards with spells and razors shooting. 3 razors will take the obj against the 2 hearthguards, without entering melee.

    i LoSaT the Slann where the magmadroh holds the obj. I summon 10 skinks, which, being at 9" from the magmadroth, cannot take the obj.
    Skinks charge the magmadroth. Fail.
    Command point: try the charge again and succeed. being the first to decide, i wary fighter the skinks at more than 3" from the magmadroth, that cannot fight. the obj is mine.

    16-14 for Seraphon




    MAJOR VICTORY for Seraphon, in one of the most intense game I've ever played.






    I am vary happy, but also very sad because i would pay good money to have kept a rep of this epic match.

    at least, i've got a solid report of the first round, and you can see the development of my coordinated attacks, which i hope it can be useful for you, in giving some idea for your games.
     
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  9. Lizerd
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    That, hands down, was the most nerve wracking report I have read. The fact that for much of the game you were so close in points to each other meant that each roll was crucial and mistakes were really not affordable. Very awesome battle report, this was awesome.
     
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  10. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Holy crap, nice game!
     
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  11. Vexcor
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    Did you enjoyed our new spell lore? how does stellar tempest and unforgiving work out for you?
     
  12. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    Immensely enjoyed. Tempest is finally a solid tool to deliver some MW to those pesky hordes, and unforgiving is a nice characters sniper when you really need to kill that "weak" hero
     
  13. Killer Angel
    Slann

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    Seraphon Vs Fyreslayers
    (Lord Kroak vs Gotrek)
    (2000 pts)



    CHOICE OF TERRAINS.

    with the GHB2019, each player can select a certain number of terrains, and you play with their own rules.
    I selected 2 arcane ruins and the huge wizard tower, for the +1 to cast, placing a ruin in the middle of the battlefield.


    after that, we rolled for the battleplan.



    Battleplan

    SCORCHED EARTH

    you deploy on the short edge and have 8 objectives to deal with (4 in each person’s territory).
    an obj gives 1 point, if you control and "burn" an obj in the enemy's territory that one is gone but you gain d3 VPs.

    A great scenario for Seraphon!
    In the moment we rolled this one, i knew i was going to have an easy time, but the point of my list was more "how far i can go in deliver a crippling blow by turn 1?"



    Army Lists

    SERAPHON

    Dracothion’s tail
    Slann (Quotek) stellar tempest
    Lord Kroak
    Astrolith bearer
    Skink Starpriest Mystical Unforging
    Engine of the Gods
    3 salamanders
    3 skink handlers
    Firelance Starhost
    ScarVet on CO
    5 Saurus Knights
    5 Saurus Knights
    5 Saurus Knights

    Balewind vortex
    Purple sun





    FYRESLAYERS

    - Gotrek, the avatar of Grimnir
    - Runesmither
    - Runefather
    - Runemaster
    10 vulkite berserker
    10 vulkite berserker
    20 hearthguard berserker
    5 Auric earthguards

    plus the Forge and 2 magmic invocations




    Set-Up

    i one-drop the DT:
    Slann near a arcane ruin
    all the firelance starhost to control the 4 objectives on my side (the little black dices)
    3 handlers

    the rest is kept in reserve.


    the Fyreslayers are set with the 2 units of vulkite in the rear, to control the objectives in the backfield, then we have a strong line of 20 earthguard berserkers and the 3 heroes (the red circles), on my left the 5 Auric dwarfs and Gotrek on my right.


    00_setup.jpg


    I don't care about possible double turns, i prepared the battlefield and my set-up exactly to deliver the maximum damage possible.

    So i elect to go first. The constellation is the hunter, +1 to run and charge.
     
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  14. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    this is a sort of another "WHAT IF I WANT TO DEAL A CRIPPLING BLOW SINCE TURN 1, THAT WILL DICTATE THE GAME?"



    FIRST ROUND



    SERAPHON's turn

    Hero phase (a VERY long phase… :p).
    Quotec calls Lord Kroak, which is placed in front of the central Arcane Ruin
    Astrolith bearer between Quotek and Kroak, to cover both of them
    Starpriest near the central ruin, in range by AB and in range to magically shoot the enemy
    All my casters enjoy a +2 to cast.
    Quotec casts Balewind vortex
    Kroak starts with an amazing Purple Sun, killing 4 berserkers, but failing to damage the 3 fyreslayers heroes.

    01.jpg


    Kroak continues with COmet CAll, rolling a nat 10!
    d6 units, but I roll a 1... i damage 1 hero.
    Kroak again: celestial deliverance, it goes well and damage all 3 heroes
    2nd celestial deliverance. I damage again the 3 heroes and 1 dies. Kroak is done with his spells.

    the Starpriest successfully casts the hero-killer spell. the 2nd hero falls dead.
    Only one remains, with 2 wounds.
    I call the EotG, and roll for the engine. I select the d6 mortal wounds, and also the 3rd hero is dead.

    Leaving aside Gotrek, i killed ALL the 3 fyreslayers heroes. What a crippling blow, and I've still got many things to do.
    (OK, not the best placing by my opponent, bad mistake to keep the auric guards away, but still impressive.)

    With the FNP 4+ gone for the berserkers, Quotek casts Stellar Tempest, and 3 other naked dwarfs fall.

    Lastly, i call the 3 salamanders, setting them at 11.5" from the fyreslayers' line.

    At that point, i LoSaT away both Kroak and the Astrolith Bearer, while keeping the sallies within range of the AB.

    02.jpg


    Move.
    with the use of a command point, my handlers run 14", and are perfectly able to increase the shooting range of the sallies.
    Quotek collects 6+4 CCP, and i use 6 of them for another sally, supported by the handlers and the Astrolith.
    (sorry for the crappy pic)
    The shooting of the 3 sallies unit is horrible: despite the re-rolls, no one hits the target.
    the summoned sally and the shooting by the magical weapon by the skink priest got better luck, and only 8 berserkers remain.

    03.jpg

    I end the turn with 4 Victory points


    FYRESLAYERS' Turn.


    not so much to say here.
    Gotrek runs (still controls one obj)
    the 2 units in the back holds their obj.
    The auric and the berserkers units charge my line of salamanders, wiping them away.

    04.jpg


    VPs: 4-4
     
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  15. Killer Angel
    Slann

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    SECOND ROUND

    I win the roll

    SERAPHON's turn

    I LoSaT Kroak and the ScarVet on CO
    Kroak casts successfully only 2 spells, the starpriest fails too. Still some damage.
    The EotG summons: i call 20 skinks and place them on my right, to control the obj. So, all the 4 obj in my territory are under my control
    Quotec doesn't cast and collects 12 CCP, plus 2 pts from the AB and being the general. with the 4 from the previous round it's 18: i summon 3 other sallies just in front of himself and the EotG (you don't see them in the pic).

    Shooting by sallies is still poor (a couple of dead), then i charge with the ScarVet (+4 to charge) and the knights: i manage to finish the auric and kill some of the fyreslayers and they are not strong enough to wipe me away.
    tnx to pile-in by the knight (not in the pic) I also control the oby in the rear, and burn it for 2 additional points

    10-4 for Seraphon

    05.jpg


    FYRESLAYER's turn.

    the survived berserkers leave one knight alive.
    Gotrek moves, but fails twice the charge (9") against my ScarVet.

    Only 2 points for them: 10-6

    06.jpg


    THIRD ROUND

    I win the roll again.
    My opponent concedes.

    MAJOR VICTORY FOR SERAPHON.



    what could I say?.


    with the current meta, ruled by hard-to-kill hordes, or by hordes that deliver tons of damage, and by monsters that attack before than you, i sense that we Seraphon cannot afford to go toe-by-toe against melee army.
    We are simply not able to compete with melee on the same level of other armies, barring particular curcumstances (stegadon against slow targets, Carnosaur with doppleganger cloak).
    So, IMO at the moment our best chance is to play with: summon, superior movement, synergies and, most of all, magic and shooting.
    This wanted to be a further test about heavy magical barrage , supported by serious shooting (summoned sallies that can shoot immediately tnx to wise placement of handlers and Astrolith bearer).
    It's a dangerous game. Even with bonuses to cast, it's not granted that you will be successful to exploit the magic of Kroak & friends (like I did in the first turn), and even with buffs, it's not certain that your shooting will be good (see all the failed shooting by the sallies in the first turn).
    But certainly we have the potential to cripple the enemy in a serious way, dictating the flow of the rest of the game.

    This scenario was decisely in my favor, and frankly Gotrek is not a threat, with that pityful movement. He truly needs particular conditions to be relevant.
     
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  16. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    Now, i only need to fight some army other than fyreslayers… :sorry:
     
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    Man that was interesting to see. I do agree with your stuff on our killing power, it’s poor. However we do have stuff that can decently block (saurus knights and warriors) that can put up enough power to deter some attacks. The mobility game you played was very well done, so you should be pleased with that.

    So you want to play something other than Fryeslayers?
    How about.. seraphon?
     
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    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    it really boils down to the players that currently join the shop and/or our private gaming club.

    Player 1: ATM the most consistent, he uses Fyreslayers. Not a great tactician.

    Player 2: appears frequently, his army is Fyreslayers.

    Player 3: sometime in the weekend; plays Idoneth (not lately, and he wants to sell them) and gloomspite. we had a match the past week, but i was using LoN.

    Player 4: possesses SCE and Nurgle and he's a nice guy to play with. But lately he favors 40k and the new rules for SM push this trend.

    Player 5: kinda That Guy. He plays regularly the strongest army in that moment, fielding the most broken models. So in turn we saw FEC with double mourngul, Tzeenth, FEC with the new dragons, DoK with Morathy... he's good, but obviously the merit goes only to his skills, because those armies and those models are perfectly balanced, and it's a fault of the other players that are not able to find the weak points. Of course, if there's something broken, it's Always in the other armies ("Salamanders cost 40 pts each? they're broken you should pay at least 70 pts for each of them").
    I choosed to don't play with him

    Player 6: similar to player 5. Except this one don't play friendly games, because he wants to play only when there's some prize to win.
    So he don't play often, and when he does i avoid him.

    Player 7: nice guy, plays Khorne and Nurgle, but lately we don't see him as aften as once.

    Player 8: another great guy, huge collector since WHFB 3rd edition. Currently in AoS plays KO, Gloomspite, Order Allegiance.... due to work he plays during the week, so i almost never see him

    Player 9: good friend, due to money problems he sold his AoS armies and kept only 40k. Hopefully when things will change for the better, he will return to the hobby (he's a kind of guy that, when he got the money, for him is not a problem to spend 4-500 euros to but a whole 2nd hand army)

    Player 10: plays Seraphon, but lately he doesn't appear.

    Player 11: plays KO and SCE, see player 10

    Player 12: plays nighthaunt, but appears only once in a while.


    plus a bunch of very casual players, that live in different places so appears once every 3-4 months.

    There are also other factors to consider: for example, when those players appear but don't play AoS because there's Bolt action / x wings / Malifaux...
     
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    Stegadon

    Lizerd Well-Known Member

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    Here is an idea; get your family into warhammer, then assert your dominance by annihilating them!
     
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