The looming excitement that might be TW warhammer II

I haven't played the game yet. I should be getting a new computer soon. I guess I could always just stick with TW Warhammer II; they have the Tomb Kings after all.

 

it's just a mention

 

I guess it is better to know. That didn't take to long

 

In warhammer 1 the chaos hordes show up and you fight em off (or kill everyone as them)
In warhammer 2 the various factions need to perform rituals, the "good" factions try to stabalize the vortex, the skaven try to blow up the moon & the dark elves try to stabalize it while also murdering everyone. The tomb kings are sorta off to the side ressurecting nagash cuz reasons.

So it's not as bad as the proper books.. at least whatever you like is now canon as you can just play that faction and defeat the others

 

As long as the end of the Old World is not a forgone conclusion, I'm okay with it. But if the Old World ends upon completion of the game, no matter what actions you perform or factions you play, then I'll simply skip the the 3rd installment.

 

yah, i think that'll be unlikely since they want all of the races from the other warhammer games on a single campaign map (that has been their goal from the start)

Actually, i won't be surprised if the third game's campaign comprises of bringing about the end times when you're playing as the daemons of Chaos.

 

Nah, if you play for example the lizardmen you stop the moon from exploding I think. Also you have spaceships, though I can't remember what you end up doing with them beyond reinforcing the geomentic web and thus the vortex.

Technicly that's already what you're doing as beastmen, norsca or chaos hordes in the story campaign. All of em are just out to kill everyone else.

Vampires just conquer everything, and presumably keep some living as lifestock.

Greenskins just have a big party and punch whomever is available, eventually just punching eachother

Dwarfs just stick with eradicating greenskins from the dwarven realms & keeping chaos back

Empire sticks with keeping chaos back and the empire united keeping the old world mostly as is.

Lizardmen stop the skaven and keep chaos stuck in the north.

Skaven blow up the moon (and thus everyone)

Dark elves save the vortex and then use it power to conquer everyone and have free slaves for all eternity to do horrible things to.

Britonia keeps chaos backs and the human lands united keeping the old world mostly as is.

Vampire pirates just pillage I guess. Basicly the same as regular vampires, just with more boats and some legendary sea creature.

Tomb kings ressurect Nagash, then conquer everything.

High elves stabalize the vortex and keep chaos in check keeping the old world mostly as is.

Wood elves grow a tree and keep chaos in check. Depending on how you play you may or may not conquer everything else.

I think that's all the story endings/campaign goals.

The map for having everyone duke it out against everyone doesn't have a story anyway, that one is just your regular paint the map your colour TW campaign.

 

The long-campaign goal is usually something like "conquer 90% of the world + these 3 specific settlements" not sure what exactly it is in the mortal empires campaign, but count on it just being a matter of painting the map your colour. You should be able to check it in the objectives window, there's a second tab for the long campaign

As for your allies getting pissy. While Archeon is rampaging abound the forces of "good" get a trait called defender of order or some such, which makes them all vastly more likely to ally and form a united front. Once Archeon is defeated they lose that trait and start bashing eachothers heads in again. And the more powerfull the player is the more likely the AI is to absolutly refuse to do anything diplomatic. In some of the games this is done with a realm divide mechanic. For example in Shogun 2 at some specific point in the campaign, regardless of what you do, everyone will hate you period. There's only 1 possible thing you can do and that is trigger it earlier by conquering Kyoto.

Also, refusing to join a war when 2 allies start fighting eachother won't stop em. That screen is simply a decleration of "they're going to war now, what do you wanne do?" not a proper negotiation where you can threaten not to join

As for siege towers. They're only really worth it if the enemy has loads of ranged firepower and your troops aren't heavily armored and shielded. If they have no ranged troops on the wall, or if you have super heavy troops with shields and simply don't care about being shot, the extra protection becomes negliceable.

 

Those are the general issues that TW struggles with. Come the late game you can take on nearly any opponent fairly easily. And especially in warhammer there's very little unit progression. At least normally you'd eventually have to adapt your tactics a little bit as opponents gained acces to nonsense like catapracts or war-elaphants which you hadn't faced before. Or at least swap out your hastati for legionaires and eventually praetorian guards when you're rich enough . But in warhammer this unit progression is nearly completly gone. It's one of the weakest aspects of this game by far (alongside the same relative lack of progression with building provinces). It helps to play on a higher difficulty. The AI cheats more, so you get more interesting stacks and often end up outnumbered. Plus, it often makes for fairly interesting sieges as you get attacked by 4 stacks and only have your 1 defending stack (and garison nowadays) to hold em off.

As for diplomacy, I have never seen a single videogame where diplomacy actually made sense, and in TW games I basicly ignore it apart from occasionally spamming trade deals at every available faction which 9 out of 10 times they reject. But yeah, the later in the game you get the worse this becomes as there's mechanics in place to Ensure people end up hating you. This is mostly done to Ensure the late-game doesn't become too easy. After all, once you have 50 cities and the 2nd strongest empire has say 10 realisticly there's no point for anyone to even attempt to oppose you unless they all gang up on you.

 

Practise makes perfect. Plus as long as you understand basic tactics, like not charging headfirst into a pikewall with your cavalry you'l generally do a lot better than you'd expect. My personal pet-peeve with the higher difficulties is that the game doesn't have seperate difficulties for combat & the campaign. And keeping up with the campaign AI cheating like a madman and constantly flinging doomstacks at you is a pain when you're still trying to scrape out an empire. Especially in Warhammer where the "progression" means certain key-units are locked behind high tier buildings resulting in weird early game armies (e.g. lizardmen can't really form a coherent army without big dino's, which are late game units). Nothing is quite as annoying as the AI rushing say artillery, and you have yet to unlock any cavalry.

Mediëval II is some 10-15 years old now I think.
Atilla is recent-ish, and still supported I think, but I don't like that one very much.
Rome II is fairly good, especially with mods and still supported. But wrong era I guess.
Thrones of Brittania I haven't played so wouldn't know, but it's also a tad too early I guess.
That's the most recent medieval-ish ones.

 

I think it usually takes the higher rank, but I rarely if ever do it. Replenishment goes so quickly that it's never really needed, unlike in some of the older games where you had to actually spend money for replenishment. Used to also be that if a significant chunk of a unit got killed you could lose ranks, but I don't think that mechanic exists anymore either.

 

hehe, though it replacing the 3rd game is uhm, let's say unlikely. I could see them putting it out as an eventual sequel.

Though to be honest, Total war should just make up their own fantasy universe for their fantasy games.. That way they can include actual unit and building progression far more easily. TW warhammer suffers heavily from the wonky progression due to the armies all being based of the tabletop instead of a historic progression. Certain armies late-game units are basicly just core to their strategies.

 

It was a pretty well done April fools gag.

 

I am aware just saying I'd probably like it as a genuine game on its own.

 

I have to admit that he had me going for a couple of seconds.


Maybe they will come out with it after the Total War: Warhammer trilogy is done. It would make sense since this currently trilogy has done so well for them (or so I've heard).