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8th Ed. Wood Elf Tactica

Discussion in 'Lizardmen & Saurian Ancients Tactics' started by godswearhats, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. godswearhats

    godswearhats New Member

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    Wood Elves are one of the remaining 6th edition books still in circulation. As a result, the models tend to have a much higher points cost than you might otherwise expect in comparison to a similar High Elf or Dark Elf model. This means the armies tend to be a little smaller, and almost always run MSU-style (many units still have model limits on them, which almost enforces this style on players).

    The flipside of this age is that the Wood Elf player has a bunch of unique and interesting magic items available, as well as a unique set of 'Spites' - wood fairies or pixies that come out of magic item allowances.

    The army itself is divided into the Wood Elves (or Asrai as they call themselves) and Forest Spirits - Treemen, Tree Kin and Dryads - who all look like living trees of some sort. Some Wood Elves are also Forest Spirits, so they get the same special rules as mentioned below - I'll call out in the unit descriptions which ones are Forest Spirits.

    Wood Elf players have no units that they want to leave out on their own and take something on in a toe-to-toe fight. Good Wood Elf players maximize their board position to give lots of flank and rear charges, and ideally with two units. Be on the look out for that.

    Army wide rules

    All Wood Elves can move and shoot without penalty. They have a standard BS of 4, and their longbows all have a range of 30" - having a 15" short range is something to be reckoned with.

    As you might expect, they all have the Forest Strider special rule also (although it doesn't apply to flying units if they use their flight move - something to bear in mind if they end up fleeing through a Forest).

    And finally, the Wood Elf player gets to place a free Forest on the battlefield in his/her deployment zone. Technically the forest has to be 6" in diameter or smaller, but the Citadel Forest is bigger than that. It's not worth arguing over unless they bring something ridiculously large.

    Forest Spirits all have the same special rules: a 5++ Ward Save that can't be used against spells or magical attacks; Immune to Psychology; can only be joined by other Forest Spirits; magical attacks. As you can see, they are quite similar to daemons (albeit a little weaker).

    Wood Elves basic profile is (courtesy of GW website):
    M5 WS4 BS4 S3 T3 A1 I5 W1 Ld8

    Elf toughness never goes up, even with Lord characters, but Strength does go up to 4, and Ld goes to 10. Many armies don't run the Ld10 character, but every other character they would use will be Ld 9.

    Core Units

    Glade Guard: As synonymous with Wood Elves as Saurus Warriors are with Lizardmen. The Glade Guard are the backbone of the Wood Elf army, and have special longbows that are S4 at short range. I'm going to repeat that because it's worth remembering: S4 at anything up to 15". So they can be out of Javelin / Blowpipe range and be hitting on a 3+, wounding Skinks on a 2+. In a 2500pt army, expect to see 3-5 units of 10, and potentially one larger unit - that one will often run the Banner of Eternal Flame. They have no armor, and will die to just about anything in close combat. Most Wood Elf players will try to avoid close combat with these units.

    Glade Guard Scouts: Scouts lose their special longbow but have the Scouts and Skirmisher rules. You don't see too many of these, as you pay a 50% point premium for them. They also have no armor. You will occasionally see a unit of 5-8 for war machine hunting.

    Dryads: The core representation for Forest Spirits, these angry tree guardians have a profile very similar to Saurus, but with M5 and I6! They are Skirmishers, so won't get any rank bonuses. Typically run in units of 8, which is the minimium size, and costs under 100pts - even if you wipe them out they don't give up many points for the effort. They have no armor save though, so they do die once you hit them. They are most often used for clearing out chaff units or holding up units in a Forest for a couple of turns. Oh, and they cause Fear.

    Glade Riders: This fast cavalry unit is not seen very often, again for the poor value for points. They are also only S3, so on the charge get up to S4, and don't have the special longbows that the Glade Guard do. However, they can sometimes be used as a bunker for a mobile mage. They have no armor, so only a 6+ save from being mounted, and can't come in a unit larger than 10 so don't have much in the way of static combat res.

    Eternal Guard: Technically, these are only core if their general is a Highborn, otherwise they are special, but I'll count them under core for here. Eternal Guard are medium infantry, with a 5+ AS and Stubborn as long as there is a Noble or Highborn in the unit. They have special weapons which allow them to fight in an extra rank (like spearmen) but give them an extra attack also. These are not commonly seen on the battlefield, but when you do they are often taken as a bus of about 30, and the front rank will be entirely characters, with a wizard in the second rank holding the Rhymer's Harp (which gives the whole unit a 5++ ward, and the Strider special rule). Often one of the characters will hold a talisman of MR so the whole unit gets a 2++ or 3++ ward vs any spells. The wizard will likely be using Lore of Beasts, so they can aim for a boosted Savage Beast of Horros and pump out 35+ S7 attacks. If you see this formation, make sure and keep your dispel scroll for that bad boy :)

    Special Units

    Wardancers: Half naked and tattooed, these Pict-inspired warriors are not the fearsome force they used to be, but are still pretty nasty. They are WS6, immune to psychology, and their tattoos give a 6++ ward save and MR(1), with two attacks (although only S3 - S4 on first round if they charge). Their real advantage is in the Shadow Dances of Loec, special dances they do each round that give some extra benefit. They have to choose a different one each round, so make sure they don't try to use the same one twice in a row. There are four dances that give the following benefits: +1 attack (for 3 total), 4++ ward, ASF and Killing Blow. Of these, the last is probably the scariest, particularly if you are running any kind of cowboy. Wardancers are most commonly run in units less than 10 - usually about 8 - and are skirmishers, so if they get a flank charge on your cowboy, it's 12 attacks at WS6, meaning a very solid chance of getting that KB they need before you get any chance to attack back. However, they are only T3 and have just that 6++ ward save so die easily to skink missile fire.

    Warhawk Riders: Almost never seen because they are T3 with only a 6+ AS, and can't have characters in the unit. These are Monstrous Flying Cavalry, so they are very maneuverable, but very expensive on the points cost and only T3, S4. They do have a nifty rule where they can attack and then fallback out of combat as if they've fled, but you can't pursue and they automatically rally (whether they win combat or not). Most likely they will just die against whatever they charged though, which is why they are rarely fielded.

    Wild Riders: These Fast Cavalry are also Forest Spirits, WS5 and S4 with spears (so 5 on the charge). They also have the same tattoos as the Wardancers, so they get a 5++ ward vs everything except 6++ vs magical attacks, but they are only lightly armored (5+ AS). As they are immune to pyschology, they can't run the double flee, which is why you still sometimes see Glade Riders. Wild Riders can also be fielded with characters on Great Stags - this puts some extra punch in the front rank with 2 S5 attacks from the stag, plus stomp. However, this is pretty costly on points so you don't see it too often. Mostly they are run either as units of 5 to hunt war machines and harrass flanks, or in a unit of 12-15 with the Razor Standard for extra punch. They also cause Fear on the turn they charge, and on any turn they don't charge they get +1 A in close combat.

    Tree Kin: These are the Monstrous Infantry cousins to the Dryads, rocking S/T 5 and a 4+ Scaly Skin in addition to the 5++ ward for all forest spirits. They are typically run in units of 6-8, in order to maximize monstrous support (they are too expensive pointwise to run much larger, and have a max unit size of 12 so you won't ever see a horde). With 3 attacks plus stomps and 3 wounds each, armor and ward saves, they are a tough unit to defeat. Best to break them with a big unit with lots of static combat resolution. These guys also make for prime targets of Wyssan's Wildform - being S6/T6 is just plain nasty! Cause Fear, as you might expect. They are flammable, so if you have a character with Ruby Ring of Ruin, this is likely a good target.

    Rare Units
    Waywatchers: These Skirmishers have Scout, additional hand weapons, a cloak that works like the Chameleon rule, BS5 and a special rule that gives them Killing Blow on any shot at close range. However, they cost way more points than they should, and are T3 with no armor. Most often fielded for taking out war machines or because the models look cool.

    Great Eagles: Flying utility belts for the Wood Elf army. These are used to redirect, to hunt down chaff units, to double flee - expect to see two in virtually every Wood Elf list. S/T/WS are all 4, and they get two attacks at I4 and a stomp. They are also commonly used as character mounts.

    Treeman: Important stats courtesy of GW website: WS5 S6 T6 W6 I2 A5 Ld8. These guys fill a very similar role to Stegadons, and can kill them in a straight up fight, especially if you roll poorly for impact hits. They have a 6" range Strangleroot attack which does an artillery dice worth of S4 hits (misfire counts as zero) or S5 hits if the target unit is even partially within a Forest. This attack can also be used to stand and shoot, so be wary of charging a Treeman in a Forest. They get Thunderstomps (naturally), are Stubborn, and have a bound spell called Treesinging, which allows them to either move a Forest d3+1" (sometimes used to help with defensive positionining of trees) or to do d6 S5 hits against any unit in a Forest - with unlimited range. 3+ scaly skin, cause Terror and are Flammable. Expect to see at least one in every Wood Elf list, often 2 and occasionally 3.

    Highborn / Noble: This is the Lord / Hero level combat character. They can take a variety of "kindred" options, which effectively allows them to join special units in the army and gives them the same special rules. Wild Rider and Wardancer kindred choices are both reasonably popular. Here are some common builds you might encounter.

    "Machine Gun" Highborn. This is often an "Alter Kindred", which gives the Highborn an extra attack (for a total of 5) and M and I of 9. He is then equipped with the Bow of Loren (1 shot per Attack, with no multi-shot penalty) and Arcane Bodkins (magic arrows where you get no armor save). It's still only S3 but with the ability move 9" and shoot 30", this guy can prove to be a hassle against Cold One Riders. He'll likely do a wound or two every round and can avoid combat quite easily - he also gets to stand and shoot with 5 shots. He can have enough points left over for a decent ward save, and a GW so he's not a slouch in close combat either. However, he's just an infantry model with T3 - any Lizardmen fliers are likely to be able to take him out pretty quickly (especially with Killing Blow).

    Highborn on a Forest Dragon. The Forest Dragon is probably one of the weaker dragons, but it's still a dragon - S/T/W 6, A5 etc. It has a Poison Breath weapon which gives -3 to AS. The Wood Elves also have a magic item called Stone of the Crystal Mere which grants a 3+ save to bearer and mount (until you fail a ward save and then it crumbles) - it's virtually guaranteed the dragon rider will have one. Nullify it with lots of attacks - the guy on top is still only T3.

    Great Eagle Noble. Usually equipped with Amaranthine Brooch (for a 3+ ward vs non-magical attacks), Dragonhelm and Potion of Foolhardiness. This is a general troubleshooter for the Wood Elf army, and because he's Monstrous Cav he can't be stomped. The Great Eagle gives him T4 and 3 Wounds and he has 3+/3++, with a GW for S6. Any cowboy can take him in close combat (as I've discovered to my disappointment) and of course he has no save against anything magical. Some builds have him with Armour of Destiny or similar.

    BSB - noble, usually on foot with a Hail of Doom Arrow. This trinket is a one use item that gives him 3d6 S4 shots in one go, which can be used to stand and shoot. It's S4 at any range.

    Wardancer characters commonly run with a Potion of Strength so they can get in 5 or 6 S7 (or S8 if he charged) attacks, and/or the Blades of Loec which allow rerolling of any failed rolls to wound.

    Spellweaver / Spellsingers: These are the Lord / Hero level wizards. The Spellweaver is limited to Life, Beasts or Athel Loren (the Wood Elf lore). You'll see the first two reasonably equally, and Athel Loren almost not at all. I'll go into it in a bit more detail below. Life will almost definitely be run in lists featuring 2 or more Treemen. Spellsingers almost never make the battlefield, as they are restricted only to Lore of Athel Loren.

    Wizards can take a special Kindred which turns them into Forest Spirits. At that point they must be mounted, and you'll occasionally see them on a Unicorn. The Unicorn counts as Monstrous Cav and gets +2 Strength on the charge (for S6). The mage will then often be armed with Fencer's Blades and will be able to deal with some chaff units. The Unicorn gives MR(2) to the whole unit, so when running with Wild Riders they will have a 4++ Ward vs spells (6++ base comes from tattoos).

    There are three Wood Elf Arcane magic items that you are likely to see. One is the Wand of the Wych Elm, which allows all dispel attempts to be re-rolled. Another is the Deepwood Sphere, which is less common, but will do a S5 hit against any models in the same forest as the wizard at the start of the wood elf magic phase. And finally there's the Divination Orb, which gives the wizard a free dispel dice if the opponent casts a spell with more than three power dice.

    Branchwraith: You pretty much never see the Branchwraith. This is a hero-level Dryad, who can be upgraded to a L1 spellcaster, but again restricted to the Lore of Athel Loren. She's very expensive for what you get, can only go in units of Forest Spirits, and can't take magic items, which is why you don't see her. If you do, it's likely because they wanted to take a Cluster of Radiants (a Spite) which gives an extra dispel dice every enemy magic phase.

    Treeman Ancient: This is a Lord level Treeman, whose profile is identical to the regular Treeman, but with Ld9 and the ability to cast Treesinging twice (remember it's a bound spell, so WE players can throw 1 dice at it and not worry if the first attempt fails). He can be the general in the army, which gives him an 18" leadership bubble as he's a large target. He can also take up to 100pts in Spites (full details on those below). You'll see this guy in lists with 2 or more Treemen quite frequently. He fits in with a L4 spellcaster in 2500pts.


    I'll detail only the ones you're likely to see at a competitive level. Spites can be taken by any wood elf character.

    Annoyance of Netlings: Character can only be hit on 6s in a challenge. You'll often see this on a Treeman Ancient or occasionally on a combat build Highborn (on an Eagle or with the Alter Kindred most commonly). If a single model elf charges into what appears to be a stupid matchup vs a cowboy or Carnosaur one on one, this could be the reason why.

    Cluster of Radiants: Only Treeman Ancients or Branchwraiths can take this one, and it gives an extra dispel dice in each enemy magic phase.

    There are two spites that give d6 S2 poison attacks. One works as a shooting attack always hitting on 4s, the other as extra close combat attacks.

    Lamentation of Despairs: This is a bound spell, one use, target any model. Pass a Ld test or suffer D3 automatic wounds with no saves of any kind.

    Pageant of Shrikes: S4 18" ranged attack that always hits on 3s and can target any model (even characters in units).

    Magic Items
    These can't be taken by Treeman Ancients or Branchwraiths, and many of the kindred choices restrict what magic items can be chosen for that character also. I'll detail only the ones you're likely to see that I haven't mentioned previously in the common character builds.

    Dawnspear: You'll see this on Wildrider characters (as they can only take magical spears). If they cause a wound on a unit, the whole unit is at -1 to hit for the rest of that combat phase. Given their very high initiative this makes it quite likely you'll be hitting on 5s (or 6s in some cases).

    Hunter's Talon: A magical bow that effectively gives the Sniper rule (it's not exactly the same, but close enough).

    Oaken Armour: Light armour that gives Regeneration. It's most often taken by Wildrider characters because they can only take Light Armour.

    Helm of the Hunt: +1 AS, and on the charge +1WS and +1A. This can be significant as it can give a Noble WS7 rather and 6, and make your WS3 models hit on 5s in the first round.

    Stone of Rebirth: 2++ Ward when one 1 wound. There's a debate as to whether you continue to get the 2++ Ward if you are subsequently healed (ETC rules that you do, GW has yet to comment).

    There are several other items that give different types of Wards with restrictions of some sort but the ones I've mentioned are probably the most common.

    Moonstone of the Hidden Ways: This last item I'll call out because it can catch you unawares. It's one use only. If the bearer and their unit are wholly within a Forest in the Remaining Moves subphase, they can teleport to any other Forest, in any formation and facing any direction (including the Forest that they are in). They can even use this to get out of combat. You'll frequently see this on a wizard, bunkered in a unit of Wardancers for example - great way to both get out of trouble and go cause trouble in your backlines, should you have a Forest back there.

    Lore of Athel Loren
    You won't see this lore used much. It doesn't have a Lore attribute for a start, you can't boost any spells, and there are only 6 of them - the #1 spell being Treesinging (as described above) which you can substitute for in the same manner as a signature spell. I'll briefly describe the other spells in case you come up against the Forest Dragon Highborn (which forces Athel Loren because there's only enough points for Hero-level spellcasters). All their spells have a range of 18", and the highest casting cost is 11.

    Fury of the Forest: Direct damage, d6 S4 hits, or S5 hits if you're within 6" of a Forest.

    Hidden Path: Target unit treats all terrain as open ground and can't be harmed by non-magical missile fire. Spell ends if they get into combat (or at the beginning of the next WE magic phase). Often cast on Treekin or Treeman to protect them until they get into close combat.

    Twilight Host: Target unit causes Fear, or Terror if it already causes Fear, until next magic phase. Not a big deal for Lizardmen (or indeed anyone these days).

    Ariel's Blessing: Target unit gets Regeneration until next magic phase.

    Call of the Hunt: Similar to walk between worlds, this moves a unit 2d6" toward the nearest enemy unit. If the unit is already in combat, all the models get +1A for the next round of combat.

    General tactics

    Wood Elf players want to protect their Glade Guard and will concentrate their fire on a single unit as much as possible in order to eliminate it entirely.

    Treemen and Treekin will be supported by Dryads, Wardancers or Wild Riders to ensure a flank attack as much as possible.

    Waywatchers, Scouts, Glade Riders or Warhawk Riders will be used to take down anything weak that tries to remain in the backfield (which isn't much against Lizardmen).

    If you know you are facing Wood Elves, you can take the Banner of Eternal Flame and either shoot the Treemen and Treekin with a big unit with that banner, or get into close combat with a Saurus/TG block so that you'll do 2 wounds any time you wound them. Be aware that Wood Elf players usually have both Dragonhelm and Dragonbane Gem in their armies to try to nullify flaming attacks for just such a circumstance though.

    Ancient Stegadons cannot reliably take out a Treeman or unit of 6 Treekin by themselves - you can get lucky and do it, but don't bank on it. As a Wood Elf player I don't feel too worried if an Ancient Steg charges my Treeman - I'll likely survive the first round of combat (and be Stubborn), and then be able to heal him with Lore of Life.

    Wood Elf BSBs will almost always stay within range of the Treemen and/or Treekin and are often relatively unprotected (apart from being bunkered in a unit). The BSB unit is a great target for Ripperdactyls.

    More than anything, concentrate on eliminating the Glade Guard units as quickly as possible. The longer they can fire at you, the weaker your army becomes, and it can mount up quickly. As a Wood Elf player I've taken out Daemon Princes, Chimeras and Hellcannon with combined Glade Guard fire - all while keeping my Glade Guard safe with Treeman, Treekin and Dryads. Use flyers to get around that - drop rocks on the Glade Guard with Terradon Riders, or charge them with Ripperdactyls. It's unlikely they'll survive a round of combat against Rippers, especially if taken in 2 ranks of 5 as they often are. As a Wood Elf player, every turn your Glade Guard are alive it's like you get two magic phases - one with your wizard, and one in the shooting phase. Take that away and you've taken out the major Wood Elf advantage.

    Hope you've enjoyed reading this tactica, and please let me know if you see any mistakes or have any questions about Wood Elves. If you're interested in collecting them, they are a really fun army to play, but very unforgiving if you make mistakes. I feel like playing them has made me a better Warhammer player in general. Their community site can be found at asrai.org.

    Hope this helps,

    Scalenex here, throwing the old Athel Loren defense thread in here for archiving purposes so it won't be fully lost

  2. RipperDerek
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    This is actually a really great tactica. Thanks for the write-up!
  3. godswearhats

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    Cool, glad you liked it :)

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