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8th Ed. Firing over friendly units

Discussion in 'Rules Help' started by Cicocolala, Apr 3, 2021.

  1. Cicocolala
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    Hi! I'm still kinda new to the game, but me and my friend has settled on 8th ed and has played a few games now.

    My friend who plays orks and goblins usually takes 3 spear chuckas and a tone of archers. This just crushes me every time. I still find the game fun and all, but I was wondering about firing over friendly units. Is it possible? We have figured that an archer och warmachine has the range to shoot over head of friendly troops unless they are close to the enemy or firing archer/warmachine.

    But maybe the game is not ment to be played like that? Is it just line of sight, and that gets blocked if friendly units are in the way? Even if a bolt thrower has 46" range, the enemy is 36" away and a friendly unit is in the way, but 16" away from the bolt thrower?
     
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    First off, well done for choosing 8th Edition! I am a die-hard fan of it.

    On your question, it depends if the Spear Chukkas are on a hill or not. The simplicity of the Line of Sight rules is can you put your eye next to the model and see the target. If you can't, then they can't shoot.

    What are you fielding against the Spear Chukkas and Archers? What army do you play and what models do you have? I'm sure we can help you come up with some tactics to handle then ;)
     
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  3. Cicocolala
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    Hi! Yeah, I'd love some help surrounding army lists :D
    I play lizardmen :)

    We're still in the learning phase on a lot of the rules. We first played a total haywire 7th ed game where we learned the total basics. Then we've had 1 3 person game, but that one took too long and we didn't conclude it. Other than that there are 2 games I can mention.

    We have not started using terrain yet, so so far the chuckas has been on ground level.

    I'll post below the 2 previous games and then a list of what I've got to work with :)

    (and yes, 8th seams like the perfect version of the game so far, I'm with you on that!)
     
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  4. Cicocolala
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    Don't know if the picture will make it in, but for our first game I brought 12 saurus warriors, 1 block of 11 skink cohort with a kroxigor in the unit, 1 unit of 10 skink skirmishers, 1 unit of a salamander with 4 handler and a Scer Vet on CO. All skinks had javelins.

    My friend brought (I think, I'm counting off the picture) 24 goblin archers, 16 orc archers, 8 orc archers, 20 goblin archers, 15 goblins with spears, 14 orcs with 2 hand weapons and 1 goblin wizard.

    This game went alright!
    I fired my salamander and landed on 2 or 3 units, killed some orcs and goblins and then 2 or 3 of his units just fled off the table! so I got rid of his 24 goblin archers and 16 orc archer at least.
    But then I screwed up when his goblins with spears charged my scar vet. I didn't read the rules for fleeing and thought that if they caught hin he'd still fight, but maybe at a dissadvantage. So I fled, they got him, we read the rule, and he was gone. Then It went rather evenly after that, but he won with a small margin.
     
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  5. Cicocolala
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    this was 500 points btw
     
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    Second game we went with 1000 points.

    I brought 1 block of 20 saurus warriors, 1 unit of 10 saurus warriors, 12 skink cohort with 1 kroxigor, 2 units of 10 skink skirmishers with javelins, 1 salamander with 4 handlers and an oldblood with shield, light armor and a great weapon on a carnosaur.

    He brought 16 orc archers, 3 spear chuckas, 22 goblin archers, 15 goblins with spears, 10 black orks with a banner, another 2 units of 15 goblins with spears, another block of 22 goblin archers, 15 more goblins with spears, 10 additional black orcs, 1 swamptroll and a goblin wizard.

    This went worse, I missed his troll with the salamander and killed 2 or 3 black orcs instead, then the salamander unit got killed by the black orcs. the 10 saurus warriors got in there, but at the end they were wiped out eventually. The carnosaur and skink cohort with the kroxigor got in a fight with a 15 goblin unit with spears and one 10 skink skirmishers unit got charged. the 20 block of saurus got in on their flank. His troll got in on the fight with the 10 saurus after the salamander got killed. in the end, as I said the saurus were wiped out and he had the black orc bannerman left and his troll.

    After that the 2 goblin units got killed, but only 4 skinks were left in the charged unit. I tried charging up the table, but the carnosaur got shot out from under the scar vet and most of my forces got shot down before I got in to more close combat. But my scar Vet was a beast! He stuck around another 2 or 3 turns in close combat with a 15 goblin unit, but got killed when he got surrounded eventually.
     
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    How do I upload images? :) ^^"
     
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    So...

    What I got is maybe 40-60 saurus warriors, maybe 40-50 skink skirmishers, 2 units of salamander hunting packs, Scar Vet/Oldblood on foot, 2 on CO and 1 on a carnosaur, 1 Trogolodon, 1 kroxigor, 1 stegadon, maybe 15 CO-riders, 5 temple guard + a banner, 1 skink wizard and 1 Slann and lord Kroak. And 1 painted chameleon skink.

    What I have primed and ready to paint: a unit of terradon riders (3), Tehenhauin, Tetto eko, another carnosaur, 4 more temple guard, 1 stegadon, an oldblood on foot, 2 Chameleon skinks, 1 kroxigor and a bunch of skink skirmishers with javelins.

    I am working on 2 more chameleon skinks that I'll convert from a blood bowl kit and put up in a couple of trees, so then I'll have 5 of them to put in a unit.

    As of right now I'm thinking of weather to consentrate on the chameleons or the terradons to try and deal with my friends spear chukkas.





    For our next game I've thought of the following list:

    1000 p army:

    Heroes: Tot 214p

    Saurus scar vet 80p
    -shield 4p
    -light armor 6p
    -great weapon 4p
    -Mount Cold One 20p
    Tot 114p

    Skink priest 65p
    -level 2 wizard 35p
    Tot 100p

    Rare: Tot 168p

    2 st Salamander hunting pack 80p st
    -additional handler 4p st
    X2 hunting packs + 1 andler
    Tot 168 p

    Core:

    Saurus warriors x18 (11p/model) 198p

    Skink skirmishers javelins ((x15)x2) (7p/model) 210p

    Special: Tot 210p

    Cold One Riders x7 (30p/model) 210p

    Army Tot: 1000p


    The CO-riders are in there for protection of the Scar Vet and more wounds outlet. But I'm thinking of finnishing my 3 terradons and change them in for the CO-riders and put remaining points on skinks or saurus warriors.

    Also, I've never used a wizard in a game, so that'll be totally new to me. Trying to deside that lore of magic to go with too.
     
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    Just drag the JPEG or PNG file onto the text field and it will show up below asking whether you want to insert a full image or a thumbnail. Chose the thumbnail.

    I'll answer your other posts above later.
     
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    Oh! Yeah, sorry. Must've missed the comment-window on the screen, when I tried earlier the whole page just became the picture. Thanks! :)




    170048150_455019139055104_2744283967859313927_n.jpg First Game




    169686321_522375552253401_3433182700322772803_n.jpg Second game
     
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    Just drag the JPEG or PNG file onto the text field and it will show up below asking whether you want to insert a full image or a thumbnail. Chose the thumbnail.

    I'll answer your other posts above later.
    Who are you playing against? O&G?
     
  12. The Great White Lizard
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    Hello! Looks like you have quite the collection starting.

    I usually go with high magic+focus of mystery on the slann just because the lore attribute makes it so versatile. Although I also think Wandering Deliberations, Life, and Light are all good options. For Slann it's ideal to TG bunker them, as it provides amazing protection and makes all the temple guard stubborn and immune to psychology. On flat tables, I sometimes use units of Skink Skirmishers to provide cover. If you have the time be sure to upload your next game in the battle reports section!
     
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