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AoS NEW *rumor*

Discussion in 'Seraphon Discussion' started by Logan8054, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. Carnikang
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    Carnikang Well-Known Member

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    That's a framework for a game. Even a format if you extend it to multiple rounds of play. And I suggest you look at the battleplans that are presented in multiple times and campaign books. Even refer to the older AoS 1.0 campaign books for these. You're getting far too specific in your mindset to allow for the "Soul of the game" to be a concern in my opinion. I'm still waiting on that definition by the by.

    I don't believe that to be the case. While I don't have my books on hand, most of the battleplans do provide a paragraph at the start stating how armies should be picked, no? What kind of forces might be present. And if not in the rules, than in the lore/flavor text. That should be ample for abstracting what you might need. Anymore and you're straying into matched play.

    I'm at a loss for what you want. You're being pretty uncooperative to what is provided, which is vastly more malleable than what your asking for. Frameworks let you fill in the blanks and build of them. What you want is a step by step recipe for the perfect flavor of game you want.

    They actively engage with the community by and large, and ask for feedback pretty often. Sure, they're not having us playtest stuff in the way Privateer does, but thats not how they do things. What, specifically and with examples, would you have them do? And why, if I might ask, do you not express this consistently to them? This is assuming you consider yourself a casual player who doesn't actively look to give feedback, as you said most do not.

    You didn't ask me what they are. Read your own words. You asked what I expected of them. We can play pedantry and word games while you look for a gotcha, but it's pretty boring to do so.

    No, it was quite clear. I responded in kind. Your intention though was not expressed.

    Assuming that the only variable to err in is shoving him to combat. There are others, hence the character being complicated to play.

    For someone concerned with flavor and the soul of the game, you ignore what spells are flavored as. Or how they might appear. Just because two spells have the same mechanical effect doesn't necessarily mean they appear and act the exact same way in the narrative. That's pretty narrow thinking.

    Each character is there own, and pulling from the narrative portion of the game, each would likely have more magic at their disposal, and likely make different choices. And even then assumptions abound about how spellcraft actually works, as if on a binary basis. Collegiate wizards for example come in many flavors. Sure, they follow a theme in the lore, but for mechanical restraints/on the tabletop they're played as one sort of wizard per lore. No two wizards or magic users is so alike that they'd always attempt to cast the same spell. That's my assumption though.

    It's really a shame that a fluffy game shouldn't be allowed to also be mechanically pleasing and balanced by this. There are plenty of fluffy mechanics within the game that allow for crazy and fun things, and I believe that the balance to that is also having some reliable restrictions on those so they're just that, crazy and fun, but not rampant or oppressive. This isn't even coming from a competitive standpoint, but as someone who enjoys casual environments to play a relaxed game.

    @Erta Wanderer To be frank, I don't count Gordrak or Archeon, hence excluding Archeon. They may have similar power mechanically/be centerpieces, but they're not gods.
     
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  2. Putzfrau
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    Very fair. Just to clarify, i have no problem with the general idea that the competitive meta impacts the game or drives a lot of the conversation around the game. My general issue was with "competitive players being the most vocal" specifically, that it is the most competitive players that are consistently making the most comments about the game, its balance, the meta, etc. For me, it gives the impression that when you go to discord, facebook, individual forums, the ones that are posting the most about those topics are the "best" or "most competitive" players.

    I just personally haven't found that to be the case in the experiences i've had. I've found that the top tier players generally avoid the reddits and discords of the world in favor of smaller, tighter knit communities of specific, like minded people (channels for specific WTC teams, etc). You just don't see a lot of posts by Bill Souza or Luke Morton or name-of-prominent-GT-winning-player-here on these types of more public, general threads.

    The "most vocal" people seem to be the casual or tournament-light crowd that take the tier lists and optimization videos, overanalyze ever word thats said before taking to their forum of choice to voice their displeasure or unwavering opinion on something they've more or less learned second hand. It's this kind of "information over experience" type of discussion that i think leads to a lot of the things we are sort of talking around in this thread. It creates a more drastic, black and white picture of the game because the information thats being relayed starts to become removed from the context and the experience that originally informed it.

    Hopefully that helps clarify my position a little bit better!
     
  3. Killer Angel
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    absolutely yes, and i totally agree.
     
  4. LordBaconBane
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  5. NecridHydra
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    This box will be around 120€ I dont think it'll be less. If you buy them alone is 150€.

    I'm curious about the rules of the box/battalion, since it's the same unit composition of Thunderquake but the scort.
     
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  7. Carnikang
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    I hope the Basti isn't compulsory in a battalion named "Celestial Stampede". Unless they make the Sotek Basti more attractive somehow.

    I'm not too hopeful we will have a good showing in BR. It's a book named after a Daemon character after all, and the Stormcast character is apparently leading the Order effort, by their words. Hopefully we get to do something neat/impactful.
     
  8. lemmy
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    Does anyone have any idea when the box will drop?
     
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  9. LordBaconBane
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    Preorder next week it seems, so likely April 23rd at my local gw at leaat
     
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  11. Kilvakar
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    I think there are two options for the Skink Chief's head in the Stegadon kit, I've definitely seen that one before.
     
  12. Carnikang
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    It's one of the build options in the set. Looks like they gave him a javelin instead of the spear that he is equip with on the warscroll.
    Or is that spear, just at a weird angle... hrm.
     
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    It seems like the Seraphon part of the conflict might be like the FEC/Bonereapers plot from BR: Teclis. That's a double edged sword because the WD story about that conflict was really good, but also amounts to like a paragraph summary in the actual book lol

    I'm just happy we get a cool little story about a completely mundane skink either way, it's not often you see any fluff focused on just a particularly brave skink or something
     
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  14. Carnikang
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    He is a Starwarden, whatever that means. Iq-to is his name, and being mundane is his game...
     
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    well fluff focusing on a skink is 100% of our first person stories so far so the not often is just that we never get stories in the first place.
     
  16. Jason839
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    perfect time to do a new stegadon kit and do they? nope. everyone else gets a new model, we get a repackaged box of old models most seraphon players already have.

    hopefully the rules are good at least.
     
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  17. NecridHydra
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    I don't think the Stegadon kit is bad. Yeah it's old, from 2007, but there're worse minis from the same year in our book, like Kroxigors, Razordons or Derpy Ones.

    I'd say Stegadons have aged well. Overall our Behemoths are fine.

    Also, making a Battalion out of them is not a signal of making a new kit.
     
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    I'm just happy to get new stuff, even if it's a repackage. And we're getting a new campaign in the new White Dwarf. We're getting a lot more support then some factions.
     
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  20. Imrahil
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    WOOOOOOOOW, the hype is real!!!
    :woot:

    Grrr, Imrahil
     
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