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Tutorial Seraphon List for GHB2020

Discussion in 'Seraphon Tactics' started by LizardWizard, Jul 23, 2020.

  1. LizardWizard
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    This thread is dedicated to the lists I build and run for tournaments and casual play. Each list will have a limited overview of how they are intended to operate. Comments and discussion are welcome, but the point of this thread was to give me a link tool for other discussions.

    All list are Match Play legal for Age of Sigmar 2nd ed Battletome: Seraphon 2020 and the GBH2020 updates.

    Here are the links to this thread's previous incarnations for those who are interested:

    These list are still in various stages of Theorycraft as I have not had the opportunity to play test most of them.

    List Ranking Key:
    • Tournament: Designed with the intent to win tournaments.
    • Competitive: Capable of winning events, but may suffer some key weaknesses vs top list.
    • Semi-Competitive: Meta Dependent. Has major weaknesses vs the top list. But, too capable to be considered casual.
    • Casual: A list made to fit lore, a theme, ect and not made to be game competitive.
    2000pt:
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    Meeting Engagements:
    • List #1
    • List #2
    Commissioned List:
     
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    What Changed

    There were several big shifts in AoS meta as a result of the new Errata/FAQ and the GHB2020. Firstly, Petrefex Elite OBR got a huge nerf. Instead of being +1 to all their save characteristics they now reroll 1's to save. Secondly, DoT saw point cost increases to Horrors and Flammers. And the Guant Summoner can only summon half as many Horrors from their once per game tome. Tossed in the mix of all these changes was the release of the LRL. Their arrival means yet another contestant in the field of spell superiority. And they make bravery characteristics and battleshock all the more important to pass or find immunity to.

    Lastly are the point changes. Troglodon is now 220, down from 260, but still over priced. And Salamanders jumped from 80 per set to 110. Our allies also change. Gone are Slyvaneth. In their place there have been massive points decreases to SCE. All the Paladin units and Calvary saw sizable buffs to their cost. This opens up the potential for bringing some interesting combos.

    What the Changes Mean to Me
    Salamanders are dead to me. Rend -2 is far less needed now that Petrifex Elite aren't sitting at 3+ or better to save. The mortal wounds are still great, and rend -2 is by no means bad, but with the changes it is back to Chameleons or Terradons. Bastiladons also seem like a viable alternative to Salamanders. Krox are still a hidden gem, but limited to melee. We don't have a good straight plug for what they use to provide. They now even more ideal targets for summoning though. Seeing as their CCP did not increase.

    DoT is a lot less scary. Horror Spam and Flamer spam all see the loss of either some support or a reduction in unit sizes. The Darkfire Deamon also suffered a point increase. DoT in general is feeling the squeeze, even if they are still a top contender.

    Celestial Harmony is now mandatory to counter Lumineth Realmlords. Even Starborne Seraphon armies will need to find room for this spell. And seeing as our Skink wizards are brittle it might be worth bringing it twice.
     
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    2000pt Fangs of Sotek: Skinks and Chameleon Skinks

    Allegiance: Seraphon

    - Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

    Leaders:
    Lord Kroak
    (320)
    - General
    - Spell: Mystical Unforging

    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
    - Artefact: Serpent God Dagger
    Skink Starpriest (120)
    - Spell: Hand of Glory
    Skink Starpriest (120)
    - Spell: Celestial Harmony
    Skink Priest (70)
    Skink Priest (70)

    Battleline:
    10 x Saurus Guard (200)
    40 x Skinks (240)
    - Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
    40 x Skinks (240)
    - Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

    Units:
    20 x Chameleon Skinks (360)

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Balewind Vortex
    (40)
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)

    Total: 1990 / 2000
    Extra Command Points: 0
    Allies: 0 / 400
    Wounds: 149

    This is a pretty straight forward list. Use your Starpriest and Priest to support two separate masses of Skinks. Use the Saurus Guard Balewind Vortex and Saurus Astrolith Bearer to Support Kroak. The Chemeleon Skinks seem like the best replacements for Salamanders at the moment. Still crafting with the new point allocations.

    There are two things you will need to focus on when piloting this list. Firstly is managing your CP. This means making sure you have enough to auto run 6 when needed or to inspiring presence. This will have to be balanced with the all important Parting Shot command ability from FoS. Second you will need to keep a close eye on your proximity to friendly heroes. All the CP in the world won't help you if you don't have a qualifying Skink hero to use Parting Shot. As a result this army requires strong positional awareness and the ability to anticipate enemy damage potential.

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    2000pt Dracothion's Tail: Sunclaw Starhost & Kroak

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Dracothion's Tail

    Leaders:
    Slann Starmaster
    (260)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Ancient Knowledge
    - Artefact: Itxi Grubs
    - Spell: Celestial Equilibrium
    - Ancient Knowledge Spell: Celestial Apotheosis

    Lord Kroak (320)
    - Spell: Stellar Tempest
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
    Skink Starpriest (120)
    - Spell: Hand of Glory
    Saurus Oldblood (110)
    - Greatblade
    - Artefact: Godbeast Pendant


    Battleline:
    5 x Saurus Guard (100)
    40 x Saurus Warriors (320)
    - Spears
    20 x Saurus Warriors (180)
    - Clubs
    10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
    - Clubs

    Battalions:
    Sunclaw Starhost
    (160)

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Balewind Vortex
    (40)
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)
    Chronomantic Cogs (80)

    Total: 1990 / 2000
    Extra Command Points: 1
    Allies: 0 / 400
    Wounds: 111

    This Dracothion's Tail list is a lot less about Appear at Command and more about the spell support it offers the Slann Starmaster. The real meat is the Saurus Warriors. Use your smaller units with club to zone and protect the 40x Spear. If they make into combat buffed up they should be able to shred a lot of threats on the table. Enemy shooting armies will be an issue.

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    2000pt Koatl's Claw w/Kroak & Chameleons

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Koatl's Claw

    Leaders:
    Saurus Sunblood
    (130)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Dominant Predator
    - Artefact: Blade of Realities

    Lord Kroak (320)
    - Spell: Stellar Tempest
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
    Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One (110)
    - Artefact: Eviscerating Blade
    Skink Starpriest (120)
    - Spell: Celestial Harmony

    Battleline:
    40 x Saurus Warriors (320)
    - Spears
    10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
    - Clubs
    10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
    - Clubs
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

    Units:
    20 x Chameleon Skinks (360)

    Battalions:
    Sunclaw Temple-host
    (140)

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Balewind Vortex
    (40)
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)

    Total: 1990 / 2000
    Extra Command Points: 1
    Allies: 0 / 400
    Wounds: 121

    This list tries to play on three fronts. It has Kroak and Bound Geminids for Spells. Chameleon Skinks offer deepstrike shooting to target key support and the dreaded Gowthizar Harvesters. While Saurus Warriors backed by a Sunblood w/Scarvet offer some strong combat. It even has chafe units to zone the field or venture off to unattended objectives.

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    2000pt Thunder Lizards

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Thunder Lizard

    Leaders:
    Stegadon with Skink Chief
    (250)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Prime Warbeast
    - Artefact: Cloak of Feathers
    - Weapon: Skystreak Bow

    Lord Kroak (320)
    - Spell: Stellar Tempest
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
    - Artefact: Fusil of Conflaguration
    Skink Starpriest (120)
    - Spell: Celestial Harmony

    Battleline:
    5 x Saurus Guard (100)
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
    Stegadon (240)
    - Weapon: Skystreak Bow

    Units:
    6 x Kroxigor (280)
    - 2x Moonhammers

    Behemoths:
    Bastiladon
    (220)
    - Weapon: Solar Engine

    Battalions:
    Thunderquake Temple-host
    (150)

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Balewind Vortex
    (40)
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)

    Total: 1990 / 2000
    Extra Command Points: 1
    Allies: 0 / 400
    Wounds: 91

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    FoS w/Chameleons and Terradons

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

    Leaders:
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer
    (140)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Old and Grizzled

    Lord Kroak (320)
    - Spell: Stellar Tempest
    Terradon Chief (70)
    - Artefact: Serpent God Dagger
    Skink Starpriest (120)
    - Spell: Hand of Glory
    Skink Starpriest (120)
    - Spell: Celestial Harmony

    Battleline:
    40 x Skinks (240)
    - Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
    5 x Saurus Guard (100)

    Units:
    6 x Terradon Riders (180)
    - Sunleech Bolas
    6 x Terradon Riders (180)
    - Sunleech Bolas
    20 x Chameleon Skinks (360)

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Balewind Vortex
    (40)
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)


    Total: 2000 / 2000
    Extra Command Points: 0
    Allies: 0 / 400
    Wounds: 142

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    2000pt Koatl's Claw w/Sunclaw and Firelance Temple-hosts

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Koatl's Claw

    Leaders:
    Saurus Sunblood
    (130)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Disciplined Fury
    - Artefact: Eviscerating Blade

    Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (210)
    - Warblade
    - Artefact: Blade of Realities

    Skink Starpriest (120)
    Skink Oracle on Troglodon (220)
    - Artefact: Cloak of Feathers

    Battleline:
    10 x Saurus Knights (200)
    - Lances
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    40 x Saurus Warriors (320)
    - Spears
    10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
    - Clubs
    10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
    - Clubs

    Battalions:
    Firelance Temple-host
    (160)
    Sunclaw Temple-host (140)

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh
    (70)
    Extra Command Point (50)

    Total: 2000 / 2000
    Extra Command Points: 3
    Allies: 0 / 400
    Wounds: 133

    Lots of Saurus and a Troglodon!

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    For @Lizerd

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Thunder Lizard

    Leaders:
    Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur
    (230)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Prime Warbeast
    - Artefact: Fusil of Conflaguration

    Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (210)
    - War Spear
    - Artefact: Blade of Realities


    Battleline:
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances

    Units:
    3 x Ripperdactyl Riders (80)

    Behemoths:
    Dread Saurian
    (510)
    Dread Saurian (510)

    Battalions:
    Firelance Temple-host
    (160)

    Total: 2000 / 2000
    Extra Command Points: 1
    Allies: 0 / 400
    Wounds: 133

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    2000pt Kroxigor

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Coalesced

    Leaders:
    Slann Starmaster
    (260)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Vast Intellect - Celestial Equilibrium
    - Artefact: Itxi Grubs
    - Spell: Mystical Unforging
    Lord Kroak (320)
    - Spell: Stellar Tempest
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
    Skink Starpriest (120)
    - Spell: Celestial Harmony

    Battleline:
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

    Units:
    6 x Kroxigor (280)
    - 2x Moonhammers
    6 x Kroxigor (280)
    - 2x Moonhammers
    6 x Kroxigor (280)
    - 2x Moonhammers

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Balewind Vortex
    (40)
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)

    Total: 1970 / 2000
    Extra Command Points: 0
    Allies: 0 / 400
    Wounds: 126

    Lots of Kroxigor. This could easily be ported to Draconian's Tail and Cogs fit into it. Keep your Skinks safe behind the Kroxigor to make sure they remain buffed.

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    1000pt FoS Terradons

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

    Leaders:
    Skink Starpriest
    (120)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Master of Star Rituals
    - Spell: Celestial Harmony

    Skink Priest (70)
    Terradon Chief (70)
    - Artefact: Serpent God Dagger

    Battleline:
    40 x Skinks (240)
    - Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

    Units:
    6 x Terradon Riders (180)
    - Sunleech Bolas
    6 x Terradon Riders (180)
    - Sunleech Bolas

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh
    (70)

    Total: 990 / 1000
    Extra Command Points: 0
    Allies: 0 / 200
    Wounds: 99

    Very glass, rather hammer. This list takes a daring and knowledgeable pilot to shine. Drop a set of Terradons to bring some Kroxigor if you want to up the durability of the list.

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    1000pt Sunclaw Starhost

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Constellation: Starborne

    Leaders:
    Skink Starpriest
    (120)
    - General
    - Command Trait: Master of Star Rituals
    - Artefact: Cloak of Feathers
    - Spell: Hand of Glory

    Saurus Sunblood (130)
    - Artefact: Blade of Realities

    Battleline
    40 x Saurus Warriors (320)
    - Spears
    10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
    - Clubs
    10 x Saurus Warriors (90)
    - Clubs

    Battalions:
    Sunclaw Starhos
    t (160)

    Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs:
    Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh
    (70)

    Total: 980 / 1000
    Extra Command Points: 1
    Allies: 0 / 200
    Wounds: 71

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    Thanks for the premature likebomb @IggyStarhost.

    Your faith is reassuring. Most of the reserved post slots are still empty for crying out loud. :D
     
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    Yes I liked all the Reserved messages too! You’ll probably come up with some good stuff!
    Like your first draft! Love to see the love for Chameleons. Might finally see the table!
     
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    haha even beat me to my own message :) Do you have any event coming up soon?
     
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    This list seems CP thirsty, why the extra CCP instead of a free CP per turn with Skink CT?
     
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    I debated for a while about having the Saurus AB be the general instead of Kroak to take Grizzled Veteran. The main reason I went for CCP was because I am not expecting the Skinks to need CP after turn 1 & 2... because they will be dead or won't be getting charged. The CCP has been the difference for me between Minor Defeats and Major Victories. Slamanders are prime summon targets now too.

    Pretty much I am hoping to have 2 or 3 CP turn one and then not expecting much. Play testing is going to be the determining factor for me I think.
     
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    Honestly, I'm sooo happy that Petrefex Elite got nerfed. In my gaming club 3 guys playing OBR and of course it's a Petrefex Elite and every tournament they were huge pain to play against. Now, I hope, things are going to be different.
    LizardWizard thx for your lists, they're helping a lot. By the way, I'm glad that you will drop Salamanders and trying to explore other options. If you can, please make something with 2 Bastiladons and Saurus Knights. I was thinking about something fast and hard-hitting
     
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